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Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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What the efficiency of electric motor vs ice since you seem to be physics buf?

We are discussing the efficiency of the electric power grid to charge all existing vehicles from 2022, assuming they would be all electric as of tomorrow.

Sure but they won’t be tomorrow, not in 10 years. Even so burning crude at a power plant and powering electric motor should be more efficient per mile travelled than ice

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Multiple gas pipelines from Russia are closed because European governments refuse to allow them to run. That's gas sanctions, why do you argue otherwise? For example Germany refuses to open Nord Stream 2, and Nord Stream 1 is broken due to sanctions on equipment repair - the turbines are made by Siemens and several are sitting in UK factories unable to be re-exported back due to sanctions. Although the troubles with…

> We also have to remember that Europe seized Russian euros and broke contracts in other ways First point is true, but the second ist not. Germany went out its way to ensure all contracts are fulfilled to avoid this claim. > it's not really obvious if Russia would even want to go back to selling to Europe. Russia very much wants to go back to selling gas and oil to europe, they have after all no other relevant indust…

> Even chinese and indian experts see russia as the loser of this conflict

how is the ruble doing on international currency exchange?

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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As a Swede that just went though an election with electricity prices being discussed this is very interesting. Prices in Sweden are at an all time high.

I don’t remember this analysis being talked about. The problem was cast mostly as a domestic issue - that’s my take at least.

In hindsight I think it was only the left that had a solution that maybe would address this for Sweden at least. They wanted to have domestic and EU-pricing.

Then the prices for electricity in EU would become so high that Italy would be forced to act?

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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I wonder if it is cost effective going forward to install two meters and panels on every house with one being “essential” and the other being “intermittent” so the power company has the option of blacking out the intermittent boxes only. I’d rather have all my computers, lights, etc shut down than my whole house.

Firstly, how would you keep consumers honest about what’s essential? Secondly, I think “essential” will depend on the duration of the blackout. For a blackout of a few hours, keeping WiFi running so that work from home can continue probably is more essential than heating a water boiler. If the blackout takes a few days, that may change.

Well, threaten them with blackouts if they dont cut enough usage.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Here is what Switzerland is doing at the moment to prevent the worst case which would be rolling black outs. They are planning for the worst case so they don't get caught with their pants down. This includes: - Currently trying to fill as many reservoirs as possible - Securing gas in foreign reservoirs. - Plan for emergency gas plants that can be operational by January/February, the time Switzerland has the least ele…

The saddest vote (outside of immigration) in Swiss history is our complete destruction of nuclear energy in terms of both research and production. Instead of building new reactors we have committed to ... something. I only hope we can overturn this complete idiocy and start to build new reactors.

Having been a fan of this for so long this is just sad and pathetic that we now have to consider things like rolling blackouts.

That this is a thing in Europe in general is sad.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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The situation in Italy is bleak - due to widespread NIMBY-ism it's basically impossible to build anything. Even hooking up a LNG FSRU temporarily in an emergency situation like the current one is a monumental feat of burocracy and fighting against everyone and everything. There's a non zero chance that, together with the inevitable far right government that will come out of today's elections, the country will collaps…

Russia is going to capitalize on this and the current EU/NATO consensus on the Ukraine conflict will collapse. This winter is going to be a very volatile time.

Russia is trying to capitalize on this but the current EU/NATO consensus on the Ukraine conflict will only strengthen even further.

This winter is going to be a very hard time for Russia.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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post #139

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> We also have to remember that Europe seized Russian euros and broke contracts in other ways First point is true, but the second ist not. Germany went out its way to ensure all contracts are fulfilled to avoid this claim. > it's not really obvious if Russia would even want to go back to selling to Europe. Russia very much wants to go back to selling gas and oil to europe, they have after all no other relevant indust…

> Even chinese and indian experts see russia as the loser of this conflict how is the ruble doing on international currency exchange?

To quote the state owned russian news agency:

> "Repeated case of interference of the Bank of Russia into implementation of the budget rule in terms of foreign currency purchases means that the floating currency rate regime existed from the end of 2014 until early 2018 is ‘only on paper now’ and is actually substituted by regulation of the currency market by the Bank for Russia for the purpose of eliminating threats for financial stability, jeopardized by the budget rule effect,"

https://tass.com/economy/1026029

This was 4 years ago, and is even more so true now. The ruble at the moment is NOT free floating.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Progressive pricing exists for commercial users but in general has been too complicated for home users.

I think we need to figure out how to de-complicate variable rates for residential customers. Forcing people to pay what electricity actually costs (ideally, in real-time) is a good way to make your demand-side much more responsive. During the Texas winter crisis, virtually no residential customers saw a financial incentive to wind down power usage. Only those crazies on Griddy, et. al. were impacted.

During: true.

But most Texas utility customers now pay a surcharge every month to pay off the accumulated debt of that crisis.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2022/02/11/how-much...

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Here is what Switzerland is doing at the moment to prevent the worst case which would be rolling black outs. They are planning for the worst case so they don't get caught with their pants down. This includes: - Currently trying to fill as many reservoirs as possible - Securing gas in foreign reservoirs. - Plan for emergency gas plants that can be operational by January/February, the time Switzerland has the least ele…

The 'Securing gas in foreign reservoirs' is going to get messy for everyone, all the countries are doing this, but when everyone is short of it (if there's a very cold winter with low wind) - what's going to happen? Some of those 'secure gas' isn't going to deliver.

Well, that’s the trillion dollar question no one has the answer to.

But politicians say it’s going to be ok. So you know, we’re probably screwed.

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