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Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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I think I know what the problem is; we're detecting HN as a dead page. It's unclear whether this happened on the HN side or on Google's side, but I'm pinging the right people to ask whether we can get this fixed pretty quickly. Added: Looks like HN has been blocking Googlebot, so our automated systems started to think that HN was dead. I dropped an email to PG to ask what he'd like us to do.

I never thought that Google Search would be so laughable.

Excellent contribution... Ugh, this is why I don't mind if HN is listed on Google or not.

So which part is laughable? The part where they're able to crawl the vast expanses of the web and return relevant results for the majority of their users? Or is it the part where they came out of nowhere to dominate search because they did it better than the rest?

Come on now, you can't be all things to all people. Google is far from perfect but for a lot of us it's much closer to perfect than the competition and they're constantly trying to improve it. Why don't you go ask Matt Cutts to fix whichever parts of it you think are laughable to your liking? He's been hanging around here and he doesn't seem shy about answering people's questions and concerns. I do doubt he'd give the time of day to a one sentence remark that adds nothing of value whatsoever to the larger discussion or any of it's offshoots.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Google.com has 39 errors and 2 warnings. Among other things, they don't close their body or html tags. Is there any real downside to having syntax errors?

The downside is maintainability. If your website follows the rules, you can be pretty confident that any weird behaviour you see is a problem with the browser (which is additional context you can use when googling for a solution). If your website requires browsers to quietly patch it into a working state, you have no guarantees that they'll all do it the same way and you'll probably spend a bunch of time working arou…

Particularly before HTML5.

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the point of ads is not to be maximally useful, it's to maximise some function of (usefulness to you, profitability to the advertiser).

Of course that's the point. Again, I was responding to the parent ("Google should simply deliver the best results, no matter what algorithm they use to do so"), which I understood to be what results Google should choose to show. Perhaps I misunderstood his meaning for "best", but "best" in this context to me means the result that's most likely to satisfy the user. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that ads are subjec…

yep, i was just pointing out that the ads being less useful than the organic result was pretty much by definition.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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The number of webpages with HTML that's just plain wrong (and renders fine!) is staggering. I often wonder what the web would be like if web browsers threw an error upon encountering a syntax error rather than making a best effort to render. If you're writing HTML, you should be validating it: http://validator.w3.org/

Google.com has 39 errors and 2 warnings. Among other things, they don't close their body or html tags. Is there any real downside to having syntax errors?

In Google's case, neglecting to close the tags is intentional, for performance. See http://code.google.com/intl/fr-FR/speed/articles/optimizing-...

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Hi AznHisoka. A lot of people send me spam reports, and I'm happy to pass them on. But normally we investigate the spam reports without sending back specific feedback of what action we took in response. P.S. Just curious--is this the same AznHisoka from BlackHat World, the "Blackhat SEO forum"? http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/137345-azn...

If it is, apparently the person in question doesn't enjoy the Blackhat World forum very much, having made one post total.

And yet AznHisoka still seems to have time to recommend a colon cleansing product on Yahoo Answers to lots of different people: http://answers.yahoo.com/activity?show=EYIYH5R8aa :)

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Does it perhaps return something to the tune of "Unknown or expired link"? :-P

Nope, it looks like we haven't been able to fetch even the robots.txt file for a few days, so our system is trying to play it safe by assuming that HN is unreachable/dead.

Whoooosh!

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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This is common violation that everyone accepts. It's definitely done by 'bad' clients - not sure how often servers send bare LF. (I used to telnet to port 80 for testing, and type GET / HTTP/1.0 , and that should be LF on Linux & Mac)

You don't know that everyone accepts it. Even if they did, it doesn't make it right.

I fixed submitted a patch for this in the pecl_http PHP library:

https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=58442

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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seriously. i can't get a hospital to show up in google maps... no human for me to talk to. HN is number 4 instead of 1 google page one, they're right on it.

This is why I don't understand the anti-promotion crowd who think promoting oneself and building an audience is a bad thing. Having the implicit threat of an audience you can address is a major lever to getting decent service nowadays.

I'm certainly not against promoting myself where I think some attention is merited, but ultimately that kind of thing is close to a zero sum game in that the amount of 'famous' people is fairly limited.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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My favorite part of HN's headers: the lines are separated by naked LFs instead of CRLF, in violation of the HTTP spec

This is common violation that everyone accepts. It's definitely done by 'bad' clients - not sure how often servers send bare LF. (I used to telnet to port 80 for testing, and type GET / HTTP/1.0 , and that should be LF on Linux & Mac)

You don't have a problem with one of the most trafficked sites for programming/web startup-related news implementing HTTP incorrectly?

Do you ignore whether your HTML is valid just because the browser rendered it correctly?

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