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U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by marcosdumay »

Waterluvian wrote: post #11
eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Doesn’t obesity put one at greater risk for basically everything? Or is Covid exceptionally harmful to the obese for some reason?

Covid is exceptionally harmful to the obese for some reason. That's well known since 2020, but I don't thinkg anybody knows the reason.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by dumbplestilskin »

physicles wrote: post #144
dumbplestilskin wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m more in agreement with him as opposed to your viewpoint. FWIW I have a degree in formal logic, and his logic is not “wrong”. I’d very much like to hear how it is. :)

It seems you're focusing on the fact that a conditional statement can be logically true independent of whether its hypothesis itself has any merit. (e.g. the proposition "If the sun goes dark tomorrow, then within a few years most people on earth will almost certainly be dead" is sound, even if the sun probably doesn't go dark tomorrow) But like GP said, the conditional statements themselves presuppose that vaccines…

It’s the inversion of your propositional case, however. His claim is not that the vaccine has caused extra deaths (the sun goes dark) but rather that if the vaccine is unsafe in -some- or all causes then mortality would increase on average. (if more people get sunburned from a hotter sun, we will see more skin cancer) It follows, and my interpretation of the data is that the vaccines are causing some issues or not giving enough protection for some individuals while working for others, and obesity and other factors also increased.

Terribly boring, wouldn’t you agree? But often the boring data is the correct data, or in other words: averages tend to represent a trend better than outliers.

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Post by lettergram »

mikeyouse wrote: post #164
lettergram wrote: post #141

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Does it give you even the smallest bit of pause, that you, with absolutely no background in any of the relevant fields are so confident about your bizarre thesis while all of the experts disagree with you?

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by nishs »

panny wrote: post #74

It stands to reason that * If the vaccine is safe and effective, life expectancy would improve some over 2020 * If the vaccine is safe and ineffective, life expectancy would stay about the same as 2020 * If the vaccine is unsafe and ineffective, life expectency would drop below 2020 We are now witnessing the third outcome.

Literally every meaningful mitigation to an airborne virus has been gutted gradually since 2020. No masks. Laughable isolation periods. No updated vaccines for new variants. No restrictions on large/indoor gatherings. False-negative RAT tests. So, yeah, there’s the explanation.

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Post by majormajor »

panny wrote: post #74

It stands to reason that * If the vaccine is safe and effective, life expectancy would improve some over 2020 * If the vaccine is safe and ineffective, life expectancy would stay about the same as 2020 * If the vaccine is unsafe and ineffective, life expectency would drop below 2020 We are now witnessing the third outcome.

This is trivially incorrect - it would require exposure level to be constant, whereas in the US people were much more out and about in 2021 than in 2020.

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Post by smeagull »

midoridensha wrote: post #45
remarkEon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear, hear. One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications - not to mention the additional burden on the health care system itself when they get sick. I fully acknowledge that it's a difficult subject, it upsets people, and it's uncomfortable. The greatest healthcare adv…

>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

Driving is legislated into city design.

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

imo, one of the biggest causes of obesity is calories in drinks. sodas, juices, and alcohol are all incredibly easy ways to add a few thousand calories per week to your diet without filing you up at all. milk is slightly better (but only because it naturally has a much smaller serving size).

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Post by ArboriaInstitut »

ajross wrote: post #145
ArboriaInstitut wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do any of the epidemiologists/virologists who are saying this offer any thoughts as to why SARS-CoV-2 and the immune response to it are so different from every other novel virus which has emerged in the past? Is there any precedent at all for "a virus which reinfects you over and over with no reduction in lethality/sequelae from the repeat infections"?

> so different from every other novel virus which has emerged in the past There's only one novel pandemic to study every century or so. I don't think there's any evidence at all that it's "so different". It's just better studied because in 1918 only a handful of scientists even knew that "viruses" existed.

No post body was provided.

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Post by remarkEon »

kredd wrote: post #135
remarkEon wrote: post #54

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>Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. And this right here is my problem. Healthcare doesn't only begin when you get to the doctor or the hospital. There's no reason that healthcare officials/leaders/experts/whatever can't recommend baseline levels of fitness for Americans, and provide help for getting to that standard. I don't know, maybe Healthcare plans should include subsidies…

From what I’ve observed, even with free gym and advice, most of people will still ignore it. It’s simply not convenient, especially for people who haven’t gotten into a routine. I live in an extremely walkable neighbourhood of a fairly dense city, and honestly speaking, and just walking around to do my daily chores already helps with casual fitness. I do bike, swim and lift, but mostly for “fun” rather than for healt…

I agree, and that was a glib suggestion of mine. It's a combination of cultural proclivities and the infrastructure. I was in the military, so I lift weights basically every day and either swim or run on the days I don't ... but that's because I've just had fitness culture inculcated in my mind since I was 18. I don't live in a city where I have to walk everywhere to get everything. But my fitness preferences do make me vote in certain ways (for candidates that encourage more public transit, bike lanes, and so on). Politics is downstream from culture, I suppose?
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