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They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by blooalien »

majormajor wrote: post #147
dnissley wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really reasonable? Twitter fails regularly to take such context into consideration when making moderation decisions in their home country. How could it be reasonable to expect them to get it right when it comes to the context of a foreign country?

I think it would be perfectly reasonable to simply choose not to operate in countries where the environment is such that your platform is likely to get people killed.

That would require caring about the welfare of other humans more than caring about money/political "power", which most huge corporate entities these days (and the governments they own) have already proven time and again that they do not.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by natch »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #50
natch wrote: post #36

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Making Twitter safe will not make you safe. It would absolutely be great if Twitter could do more, but the true issue lies elsewhere. Unless you recognize this, and accept that you don’t always get everything you want, then you may be living in a dangerous delusion. You don’t want to leave Pakistan, and you also presumably don’t want to compromise your principles, and you also want to not be killed for your journalis…

> You don’t want to leave Pakistan My read is that he's in New York, but has family still in Pakistan.

> I dont want political asylum because of many reasons

Good point but but he apparently does not even want the relative safety of being able to stay away from Pakistan. We all have family in various places, that’s a given. He could also try to get them out.

Making Pakistan safe for free speech seems beyond optimistic for now.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by oarabbus_ »

root_axis wrote: post #149
tsol wrote: post #121

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It's strange though, when it involves lgbtq or politics they suddenly understand why Twitter may need to police certain kinds of conversations. But when the actors involved are foreign, suddenly those high minded ideals turn into ambiguity and 'Twitter understandably doesn't want to take a side'. Yet last month I was hearing on this very forum that inaction is indeed pushing a side

It's not strange. Twitter is a U.S. company, of course it takes a deeper interest in matters of U.S. politics than it does about every other country on the planet.

They said nothing about Twitter's behavior being strange. They said the strange part is people applauding Twitter's content moderation for certain topics, while justifying their inaction on others.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by ricardobeat »

mypalmike wrote: post #84
ricardobeat wrote: post #28

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Trump was inciting civil unrest often, but I believe they set a terrible precedent by banning his account for the “I’m not attending the inauguration” tweet, based on a ton of very subtle inferences. One cannot reasonably expect them to act as a fact checker & censor for the entire world, nor would that be desirable from a private corporation. What we need is better, regulated moderation systems, and a justice system…

The pace of social media is insurmountable. More information is generated per second on social media than any justice system could process in a year.

What is the alternative?

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Post by dnissley »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #126
tsimionescu wrote: post #122

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Twitter is nowhere near big enough to hire enough people in a country like Pakistan to matter as much as control of public media does - especially to a fascist government. Not to mention, knowing how such agencies operate, I would bet anything that a good few of any such moderators would be Pakistani secret services agents.

No, but they could roll out a pilot program for establishing local moderating offices and as part of that program establish a list of qualifying criteria for where they are willing to place such. They could do something akin to what McDonald's did for the beef industry. It adopted Temple Grandin's list of best practices as its standard and this got adopted by the beef industry because McDonald's buys so much beef. Cu…

How is Twitter's relationship with Pakistan predatory?

Also, what is the equivalent to Temple Grandin's list for moderation of social media?

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Post by notahacker »

tsol wrote: post #121
DoreenMichele wrote: post #30

I am sorry for the responses I am seeing on HN. People with cushy lives who've likely never faced similar danger seem to just not really get it. I will say that your framing is one that most Westerners will have trouble taking seriously. It might go over better to document known cases where this pattern occurred and show the similarities. Walk people through it like they are five, so to speak. I know it's hard to do…

It's strange though, when it involves lgbtq or politics they suddenly understand why Twitter may need to police certain kinds of conversations. But when the actors involved are foreign, suddenly those high minded ideals turn into ambiguity and 'Twitter understandably doesn't want to take a side'. Yet last month I was hearing on this very forum that inaction is indeed pushing a side

I tend to see the reverse. People fume over social networks allowing people in, say, Myanmar to write about alleged events they have no way of verifying with political implications they don't understand in a language they don't understand because people are dying [mostly at the hands of a military that really doesn't care what social media thinks]. Then they get very unhappy if the same social network decides to block obviously mendacious nonsense posted by fellow Americans

Sometimes it's different people making the complaints, but weirdly, sometimes I'm not sure it is...

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by CHB0403085482 »

waqasx wrote: post #19
Canada wrote: post #8

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Wouldn't trying to remain anonymous as a journalist be rather ineffective?

yes, i would lose my audience too that i have built over ten years.

Sympathies to you, man.
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