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EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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mindslight wrote: post #54
runako wrote: post #20

No wonder Comcast has been very active in lobbying to prevent other utilities from providing Internet[1]. 1 - https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/1/8530403/chattanooga-comcas...

The problem with municipal Internet is the town will build it out once, and then never upgrade the technology while it slowly becomes obsolete . Seriously though, municipal fiber is fantastic. I've been an observer to friends having conversations about Internet provider woes, while I just sit there shaking my head. I've only got 1Gb but I rarely care about the bandwidth, consistent <15ms ping to close data centers, t…

> The problem with municipal Internet is the town will build it out once, and then never upgrade the technology while it slowly becomes obsolete

The fastest Comcast internet still only has 40mb upload. 25gb municipal internet will be faster than Comcast internet for at least the next century.

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Post by nimish »

vlan0 wrote: post #77

This is just getting stupid. It's more marketing than anything else. It feels like the megahertz wars of the 90s. Your connection is SO MUCH more than just your local PHY rate. Let's start raising the bar. Show me you've optimized to reduce bufferbloat. Show me you care about RTT and not simply the cheapest pipe. I'm also not sure they have the capacity to deliver true 25Gb to for many folks simultaneously. https://w…

If you are using so much bandwidth on a gigabit line that the buffers are actually used, I'd think you probably want a higher grade of service than home internet.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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cletus wrote: post #110

People may not realize just how many barriers are put in the way of this kind of thing happening and at every level of government you have skilled and experienced actors trying to make sure it doesn't happen. The obvious one is states pass laws to forbid municipal broadband. This should be illegal. I actually wonder if the Federal government could override this since this sort of thing usually falls within the purvie…

> states pass laws to forbid municipal broadband

What happens if the municipality goes ahead with it anyway? Does the state sue everybody? Seize the network by force? Cut the cables?

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Dracophoenix wrote: post #94
Youden wrote: post #4

So weird hearing about how amazing this speed is for a convention center when I have 25Gbps at home and mainly just use it to download movies and anime from Usenet.

What router do you use?

I only have one device with access to the full 25Gbps and that's a computer with a 25Gbps NIC that's acting as the gateway for everything else.

Aside from that I have a Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN to distribute 10Gbps to a few other devices.

I'd love for everything to be 25Gbps but the hardware is just too expensive.

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Post by Youden »

dmonitor wrote: post #8
Youden wrote: post #4

So weird hearing about how amazing this speed is for a convention center when I have 25Gbps at home and mainly just use it to download movies and anime from Usenet.

Where on earth and why

As another commenter said, Switzerland. There's no change to the monthly price, just some one-off charges so I decided what the heck.

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Post by Youden »

jagrsw wrote: post #72
dmonitor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where on earth and why

Probably Switzerland - init7 has it in its offer: https://www.init7.net/en/internet/fiber7/ The price is the same as for 1Gbps and 10Gbps (~60USD/month) - though the initial setup price differs: ~300USD for 25Gb/s vs The actual speed within network is indeed 25Gb/s to some fellow users running speedtest.net servers. Inside Switzerland it's maybe ~15Gb/s to some well connected servers in the area of Zurich, and ~10Gb/…

I think in the EU the limit is sometimes not Init7 but the Speedtest.net servers. I ran a test to many of them and did get above 10Gbps but only to eu-25g.ookla.tierservers.com, which clearly has a 25Gbps NIC.

A bunch of other Speedtest.net servers were located in Amsterdam and took a very similar route via Cogent but none of the others broke the 10Gbps barrier.

It is for sure often Init7 though. Those peering relationships it built up have become a bit of a weakness because they're usually limited to a 10Gbps port.

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Post by moondev »

mmaunder wrote: post #31

Cool, but try to get 25Gbps on your mac. It's tough. We have our own 10 gig symmetrical fiber backbone connection and wanted 25Gbps on a mac in our film production facility. Thunderbolt maxes out at 40Gbps so you're already close to the max data transfer rate for a peripheral. We had to use ATTO's hardware which is bulky, a pain to configure on a macbook (you need to bond two interfaces) and honestly most of the time…

thunderbolt to pcie enclosure with a connectx 25GbE card

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by matthew-wegner »

mabbo wrote: post #101

I recently upgraded to 1.5gbps and realized a few things. The downsides: the Cat5e cables inside my condo walls can't handle more than 1.0gbps; my desktop's network port also maxes out at 1.0gbps; the wifi router in my home can't do more than 600mbps even if standing right next to it. But also, nothing I do needs this much bandwidth. I can download any steam game in the blink of an eye. I can watch streaming video at…

I think the peer reply about treating WAN like LAN is the best lens.

Imagine all of your family/friends were on a local wired connection together. What would you do with that? Usually I don't find myself wanting faster bandwidth to interact with big services (Netflix/etc), but with other people or my own remote resources.

I throw around a lot of large VM images, which is definitely outside the average person's uses, but stuff like sending backups to your friend with the huge NAS, Steam/Parsec 4K streaming from that other friend's GeForce 3090 machine, etc...

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