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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Being forced to look at people's amateur porn at your job is pretty lame.

I agree, but presumably it's already necessary to determine if it's a picture of a naked adult.

Sure, but the rule not to print naked adults might be useful and necessary to enforce a rule of "don't bring your amateur porn to this shop, please". Which I think is a reasonable request. Some might not be bothered, but the analogy to sending dick-pics comes to mind.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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The article mentions two independent instances of this process within Google, where appeal is not possible even with a police report that completely exonerates the suspect. It sounds to me as if a class action lawsuit is the most appropriate remedy for the unfortunates who are caught in this predicament. Their only problem is finding each other. For the rest of us, it is unwise to use cloud storage for photos, for se…

They don’t block CSAM because “it’s illegal” - in fact, they can’t be forced to do it without it breaking your 4th amendment rights. Instead, all CSAM reporting and blocking is done at-will by these companies, and some don’t participate (Apple[0]), so it’s a policy decision by these companies. I imagine unblocking someone due to them being exonerated by a government entity is legally risky - perhaps doing so would be…

How can data/files stored on somebody else's computer be subject to 4th amendment rights?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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post #43

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Those countries would love to blackmail you. Just encrypt your data rclone would do that.

> Those countries would love to blackmail you based on what? At least is an entire Country that will blackmail me, must think I am really important, not some rando that hacked iCloud to find celebrities boobs and post them online... > Just encrypt your data rclone would do that. yeah, but rclone is an offline backup, basically. cloud storage is for when you need immediate access and search capabilities.

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Well not in all countries. In my country you are required to receive electronic messages from the government as well as to have a government issued ID and authentication system that forces you to have a fairly recent smartphone. For now, it is theoretically possible to use the authentication system without a smartphone but you will have to jump through an awful amount of (artificially imposed) hoops. Not having an in…

Which country are you speaking of?

I'm not sure about OP, but here in Iceland having a smartphone with electronic ID built into it is not TECHNICALLY a requirement but life can be very difficult without it. It is the de-facto identification system used by every government service and banking institution.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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> Not only did he lose emails, contact information for friends and former colleagues, and documentation of his son’s first years of life, his Google Fi account shut down, meaning he had to get a new phone number with another carrier. Without access to his old phone number and email address, he couldn’t get the security codes he needed to sign in to other internet accounts, locking him out of much of his digital life.…

One solution to many of these concerns is a periodic backup (via Takeout) of your Google account.

How do you automate this for daily backups?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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post #57

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Well not in all countries. In my country you are required to receive electronic messages from the government as well as to have a government issued ID and authentication system that forces you to have a fairly recent smartphone. For now, it is theoretically possible to use the authentication system without a smartphone but you will have to jump through an awful amount of (artificially imposed) hoops. Not having an in…

Which country are you speaking of?

Afaik mandatory government-provided mailbox is in Czech republic ("datovka") and Slovakia, at least for some parts of population (like enterpreneurs, lawyers, other professions that communicate with state institutions), with general mandatory use coming soon.

They serve the fiction of confirmed mail delivery. If you don't pick it up from this mailbox, it is considered delivered anyway and your problem, if you miss something here.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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post #22

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Why would you not print naked adults?

Being forced to look at people's amateur porn at your job is pretty lame.

So don’t work at a place that prints peoples private photos?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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post #43

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Those countries would love to blackmail you. Just encrypt your data rclone would do that.

> Those countries would love to blackmail you based on what? At least is an entire Country that will blackmail me, must think I am really important, not some rando that hacked iCloud to find celebrities boobs and post them online... > Just encrypt your data rclone would do that. yeah, but rclone is an offline backup, basically. cloud storage is for when you need immediate access and search capabilities.

Maybe not you specificially, but for example in the U.S., there are over three million people with security clearances. That's a large pool for an adversary to choose from. Maybe all an adversary needs for one particular mission is to identify a janitor at a facility, go through some of their content to find a nude selfie that they might be embarrased if their family saw, and the adversary says, it would be a shame if your friends, family, and coworkers saw this, just prop open this door, it's just a door...

And there are a million more people who don't have security clearances and work at companies such as Alphabet, Meta, a datacenter, Boeing, etc.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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post #57

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You still have the choice to not use any of their services. You can get pretty far in life despite not using the internet at all.

Well not in all countries. In my country you are required to receive electronic messages from the government as well as to have a government issued ID and authentication system that forces you to have a fairly recent smartphone. For now, it is theoretically possible to use the authentication system without a smartphone but you will have to jump through an awful amount of (artificially imposed) hoops. Not having an in…

But there's nothing that says you have to use that smartphone and services for anything other than government communications.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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post #80

This story should serve as a warning and a motivation to move away from iCloud, Google Cloud, and alike for video and photo storage. The easiest thing is to just purchase a drive or NAS and store your media on it. If you're a bit tech-savvy, you can run your own NextCloud. I run NextCloud on Hetzner, 1TB storage box + web server for a total of $7 a month. Or you can get Hetzner to run the NextCloud for you for about…

No you see that requires work when most people would rather complain. It's such a shame because having these services be healthy and popular benefits everyone.

I am a software professional and run my own email and it's a massive pain in the ass. I started also using a google account just to use for all the stupid sign ups the internet makes you do, and use my real email for actual correspondence, banking, and a few other things only.
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