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I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do technical marketing (SEO, ads, analytics) and if I am ever in a spreadsheet I gravitate to the numpad for any numerical data entry. It's like touch-typing, superior way of doing it once you've learnt. No need to use shift for simple calculations, one-handed number typing, using my left hand to tab into the next cell, etc. Customer services teams take down phone numbers and enter financial info better with a nump…

Ergonomics is not vanity. Most 100% keyboards don't allow you to have one hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse with good posture, which I'm sure for the average user is a more common thing to do than entering long strings of numbers.

One of my first jobs involved assessing desktop users for ergonomic posture when using video display units (PCs). I get that a big keyboard could splay your arms out a bit at angles that aren't ergonomic but practically speaking that'd have to be a very big keyboard.

When someone moves from keyboard to mouse they should be moving from their elbow joint, to protect their wrists. If anything a numpad encourages this as your resting dominant hand position will be left of the numpad (if right handed, for left hand users this won't be true). So you can't bend your wrist to reach your mouse from that position, you have to move your whole arm - which is good.

VDU guidelines in the UK at least don't specify a bad angle for elbows, just wrist bending (up, down, and sideways) because it's not a common scope for elbows to be bending that far for common tasks at a desk. Certainly a full size keyboard and mouse don't push it that far.

So I don't see the ergonomic issue there. I'm sitting at a full size keyboard with my mouse in hand and my posture is just fine. I could even space them out more and be comfortable.

Obviously mileage varies, and subjectively maybe a smaller person might have a smaller desk footprint. I don't want to go as far as to disregard someone else's experience but it really does seem far fetched.

Nothing wrong with liking small keyboards for other reasons though, like vanity, neatness, tidying away easily, portability, not needing a numpad, etc.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Thoughts: - Excellent job - The font choices are bold. They don’t appeal to me personally, but nice job. - The sunk/raised key caps look nice but I’m not sure how they would perform in practice. - I couldn’t tell from the website what the second switch on the site does. Maybe USB/Bluetooth? - My strong preference is a key command for switching from Bluetooth/USB, and that the keyboard keep both active for instant swi…

PCB designer of the board here - The second switch can toggle USB/Bluetooth profile 1/Bluetooth profile 2 (3 pos slider), but the board runs the open source ZMK firmware and you can reconfigure it however you want. Auto-switching between BT and USB is not used on the current firmware (as it would make the USB slider pos quite useless), but the firmware can absolutely do it.

EDIT: You could for example reconfigure the slider to switch between BT profile 1/2/3, and have the board auto-switch to USB when plugged in. Would take ~2min for me since I know my way around ZMK, bit more if you have to dig into how ZMK works first ofc.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Very pretty. I'm tempted. Will it work properly on Linux via bluetooth? E.g. I have a very nice mechanical keyboard from Keychron but over bluetooth it does something weird so that a hack [1] to use it in Mac mode is necessary and some key combos still don't work right for me. On a similar note, if its firmware needs an update will I be able to do that from Linux? It's a hard life being a Windows/Mac hater :D [1] htt…

I am the person who designed the PCB for the current prototype. It's running the open source ZMK firmware, and that one works flawlessly on Linux. I had a prototype connected to my notebook (T450s, Intel AC9260 wifi chip, Arch Linux) already and did not encounter any issues, and since it's open source and all configs are public, adapting the keymap to your needs and maybe get rid of some mac-specific things wouldn't be a problem.

In fact we are considering a software toggle (e.g. FN + ESC or maybe more complicated to avoid accidentally toggling it) that has a "Win/Linux" and "macOS" mode, but I didn't get around testing that yet.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Does anyone make a keyboard that goes in the opposite direction? I’ve been looking for a keyboard with stiff springs and large bubbly keys, in the style of late 70s/early 80 terminals. The best I could come up with are higher profile key caps with rounded corners, which aren’t quite what I’m looking for.

You can find some more retro keycap profiles if you dig around in various keyboard enthusiast sites, eg https://mechboards.co.uk/products/tex-ada-keycap-set and you can pair them with high force keyswitches such as the Cherry MX grey.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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I'll state my requirements - for anyone interested in meeting them:

I have an OLKB preonic. And I used QMK to significantly modify my layout. I started out with the modified Colemak - but the re-arranged the keys to move keys which require the index finger to move to the side - on the QWERTY that would for example be G and H . I moved B and K forexample where Z and X are on the Qwerty - and moved Z and X to the number row. The numbers itself appear as a layer when i need them.

Peter Norvig has an article called mayzner : https://norvig.com/mayzner.html - i wrote a program to analyse the frequency of bigrams/trigrams, 4-grams and then programmed them as shortcuts to the keys - using the lower / raise

This means i can type conversation as : con ver sa tion - where con is a trigram , ver is a trigram and tion is a 4-gram. s and a need to be typed out.

my needs : 1. MCU should have more ROM for writing the new preonic has 64KB. 2. Columnar layout - Split keyboard would be ideal.

Reasons for more ROM - you can program a lot more common words in it and Columnar layout would be easier on the fingers.

I've checked out a lot of keyboards - The Iris is good - but the ROM is only 32Kb. The Moonlander is too expensive for me - i cant justify the price to myself right now.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Looks striking, but does this actually exist, or is this (so far) just a design project? There's a lot of promises here - recycled materials, machined aluminum, assembled in London - but I don't see any evidence that a single keyboard has actually been built yet. I know, you gotta fake it 'til you make it, but I think it's important to be honest with your customers. We've all seen plenty of speculative designs that s…

I'm not a member of the team, but was contracted for the PCB design as an external freelancer - I have one of the PCB prototypes sitting in a shelf, and the designer has a fully functional prototype with aluminum case and keycaps already. Bit dusty, but here's my proto with a ridiculously oversized battery (that would probably run for a year or so without charging): https://mpwr.xyz/blog/2022/pcb_1.jpg

This will most likely not be the final PCB revision as we still have ideas for improvements, but it should prove that the board is more than a design study already.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Positive Feedback:

I quit like the tight, minimal look. the variation in key heights and the concave number row keys seem like excellent positioning features.

Honestly, I've used so many keyboards in my time that I'd be quite happy to adapt to this layout and give it a go. It would look great along with my minimalist tower.

Questions:

Does it have feet to provide tilt? It was unclear from the website, but as best I could make out it does not, only lays flat on the desk.

Is it backlit? I would assume 'no' since it isn't mentioned, but the picture of the low profile switches made me second guess, and backlit keys are fairly standard these days.

Are the low profile switches pluggable? I haven't checked in detail but I imagine that manufacturer makes something like blue and brown variants of that switch and I like to have different switches in some places, would be nice to swap out without busting out the soldering iron.

Can the bluetooth module be (truly) disabled or deleted? It could be considered a security issue. I would prefer to avoid bluetooth in a desktop setting.

Otherwise, thanks for posting, this looks pretty sweet. I've signed up under the waiting list.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Looks cool, hard to tell if worth considering there's no info on price.

> hard to tell if worth considering there's no info on price.

I came here just to say this. It's highly disappointing that a product is announced without any info on how much it could cost. That's the critical factor that will determine if the product is worth any consideration.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Web site advice: The spinning graphic is cool but it's very hard to get a decent look at the whole thing. I even tried clicking to pause it. It seems like all the pictures are partial or moving. As the keyboard goes: As others have noted, it would be really nice to see this design approach taken to a more full-sized standard keyboard. I think it's necessary to have some kind of tactile thing between function keys - a…

Yes, I had the same problem with the moving images; this is static: https://electronicmaterialsoffice.com/img/layouts.jpg (but not hi-def).

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Got a MX Keys keyboard from Logitech and, for better or for worse, it's been so good that it set a standard for me regarding keyboards. While I was considering it saw some other Logitech keyboards that had a knob for volume control/etcetera, which I feel like it would be a much more sane approach regarding the low profile aspect than this 'rotary encoder' thing. Also, as someone said, some lateral buttons would've be…

With ZMK firmware (that's what this board is running) latency can be seriously low in my experience - but it heavily depends on signal strength and BT chipset of the PC. My desktop has an older intel WiFi card with antennas behind the metal case, and latency is annoying. My notebook uses a ~5 years old intel wifi card, and I did not notice any delay even when playing stuff like CSGO. Probably still too slow for rythm games like osu!, but not noticeable for typing/coding/fps in my experience.

USB Bluetooth dongles fluctuate a lot too, I think it depends on the chipset used (and it's software stack).

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