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.NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by ladyanita22 »

runfaster2000 wrote: post #6
mikece wrote: post #2

It has been rumored for years that Microsoft might acquire Ubuntu. This is an interesting move though not proof of any such future merger. All of that said, it would be nice if Microsoft had the same level of cooperation with Fedora and another distro or two as well. (And where the hell is support for .NET Core on FreeBSD???)

Fedora and Red Hat have offered .NET packages for years. We've worked very closely with those folks and they've taught us a lot about how to work collaboratively with distro maintainers. We meet with them weekly. Notice that Fedora is mentioned in the blog post and here: https://docs.microsoft.com/dotnet/core/install/linux#officia... . Also notice that our default build instructions are for Fedora: https://github.com…

This just puts Ubuntu at the same level as Fedora/RH/Arch were before, am I right? In the sense that this just means .Net is in the official repos (as was the case for Fedora/Arch before)

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by akira2501 »

nonbirithm wrote: post #146
cabirum wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe, sooner or later, MS will put some arbitrary restrictions on .net or some part of its toolchain, forcing users to purchase a license to make it usable. It will probably involve "cloud" to sign/notarize your binaries to distribute them and give MS complete control of the ecosystem. Obviously, I have no idea what exactly will MS do, but after reaching some adoption target, MS will try to extract as much money…

Technically the restrictions already exist, just as a part of the development experience. - .NET Hot Reload is only implemented on Windows. It requires support in the .NET runtime, which is technically possible to implement, but the team has not gotten around to implementing it for years. This doesn't have to do with the issue around MS removing the "dotnet watch" command, it's for the "Edit and Continue" feature in…

> which is technically possible to implement, but the team has not gotten around to implementing it for years.

My understanding is that they did in fact implement it, but then ripped that code out before the release.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

EnKopVand wrote: post #159
game_the0ry wrote: post #133

Question for the experienced .net folks - how is the dev experience of .net on linux vs .net on windows? Is it smooth or clunky? Pretty cool and interesting that a big linux vendor is on board with .net.

It depends a bit on what tools you use, but if you've jumped the ship from VS to VSC and mainly use the dotnet cli for things then there isn't much of a difference between platforms. If you're using VS, as in really use it and all it's feature, there is going to be a massive difference. That being said, I've used .Net and C# for over a decade and it's frankly just a clunky language and toolset. It's gotten better wit…

I haven't used Go, and Gorm is new to me. I've just looked at it (with 15 years of AR experience, and a couple of EF), and it looks quite a bit like EF to me. In your mind, what makes it significantly better than EF?

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by hu3 »

EnKopVand wrote: post #159
game_the0ry wrote: post #133

Question for the experienced .net folks - how is the dev experience of .net on linux vs .net on windows? Is it smooth or clunky? Pretty cool and interesting that a big linux vendor is on board with .net.

It depends a bit on what tools you use, but if you've jumped the ship from VS to VSC and mainly use the dotnet cli for things then there isn't much of a difference between platforms. If you're using VS, as in really use it and all it's feature, there is going to be a massive difference. That being said, I've used .Net and C# for over a decade and it's frankly just a clunky language and toolset. It's gotten better wit…

Interesting. Does Gorm have anything like Linq? autocompletion of queries? Compile-time validation between code and schema?

Once I disable Entity Framework object cache globaly (AsNoTracking), it becomes close to the ideal db toolkit for me.

I see a lot of strings in Gorm docs. Those are probably not checked during compilation. This alone differentiates Gorm and EF quite a bit. https://gorm.io/docs/create.html

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by pianoben »

echelon wrote: post #170
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad for you, but ActiveRecord is still the best ORM of all time. OF ALL TIME. I rewrote one of my main Rails applications in .NET, and trying to use Entity Framework was like pulling teeth for me, in comparison.

I'm glad it works for you. It gave my team years of headache while we ported it all to jOOQ. Also our Ruby engineers liked the flexibility so much that they exposed our entire database as a service to customers, which we had to emulate and support. Two sides to every position.

Amen to that. We had a high-level engineer who sincerely believed that Rails and Postgres were the right tools for Everything. Consequently he shipped a mission-critical query engine whose API is - you guessed it - just ActiveRecord!

It's great if your users are disciplined and experienced Rails engineers who understand how the system works, but we don't live in fantasy land and a year later, we are so very constrained by the unlimited DB access that we're rewriting it all and leaving ActiveRecord out of the equation.

I'll always maintain that Rails is the first tool I'd reach for in a new web startup, and the first one I'd discard after growing past ~20 engineers.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by make3 »

RajT88 wrote: post #89
cabirum wrote: post #34

Meh. In the end, Microsoft will betray those who trusted it. Long term, better just to pretend it does not exist and never, ever depend on anything with Microsoft name on it.

I knew there'd be at least one of you guys in this thread.

I mean Microsoft does have a history of fucking the open source world. We can like their new approach without denying that, and understand people having their reserves.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by synergy20 »

A fully devoted Linux developer here that never touched Windows' ecosystem(.NET, Visual C++, win32 api, all those), any reason for me to jump on .NET? where does this runtime run(x86/windows, now linux, what about MacOS, and embedded systems), and what's the selling point(web framework in c++ like language? a better c++/java?)

https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/csharp/

it looks more like Java than c++ to me.

On a different note, I will state this again: I think microsoft will acquire Canonical one day.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by ledgerdev »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #33
eitland wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.Net has run better on Linux (edit: better than on Windows) machines since at least before the pandemic. I'm a Java dev, but I have also developed on .Net and running modern .Net on Linux is about as simple as it get.

Does visual studio run on linux yet? That's my rubicon for taking .net seriously. It's not just about the runtime, the tooling has to be present as well.

Extremely unlikely vs will ever run on linux, pretty sure it's built using wpf which is window only. The tooling on linux is just fine, and VSCode and Jetbrains rider are your main options.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

echelon wrote: post #170
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad for you, but ActiveRecord is still the best ORM of all time. OF ALL TIME. I rewrote one of my main Rails applications in .NET, and trying to use Entity Framework was like pulling teeth for me, in comparison.

I'm glad it works for you. It gave my team years of headache while we ported it all to jOOQ. Also our Ruby engineers liked the flexibility so much that they exposed our entire database as a service to customers, which we had to emulate and support. Two sides to every position.

You shouldn't blame Ruby (or ActiveRecord) for infrastructure decisions that are inherently bad, irrespective of platform or technology. I mean, this is HN, and you WILL, but you shouldn't. ;-)
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