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Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

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Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#172

If you like alternative services, great, but small companies are also prone to getting hacked, don't have resources to fight government warrants and can just go under and lose your data. Many store unencrypted data on common cloud providers like Amazon.

No hack required, they leaked data of users themselves: https://community.e.foundation/t/service-announcement-26-may...

And won't offer Nextcloud's E2EE option due to concerns with data loss.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

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I'm a strong believer in the right of people to use their devices as they see fit...but there's a real-world problem here. You know who else loves unlocked bootloaders? Cyberstalkers and domestic violence perpetrators, who use them to install hidden stalkerware.

I'm a strong believer in the right of people to cut their food as they see fit...but there's a real-world problem here. You know who else loves knives? Criminals and thugs, who use them to engage in larceny and assault.

And guess what? In some jurisdictions, including some US states, possession and sale of some types of knives is banned or controlled, because they are used by criminals and thugs for larceny and assault.

You're also not permitted to upload whatever firmware you like to your car's engine if you want to run it on the street.

Note also that I didn't argue that uploading alternate firmware to phones should be banned. I'm just pointing out that there are real-world safety reasons for restricting modifications, and if you want the freedom to do so you should at least try and engage on the downsides rather than just yelling FREEEDOM very loudly.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

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That looks like a copy of the list of supported devices of lineage. I highly doubt that the e foundation can test their installer on so many devices. They (or their own developer community) would need to get access to these devices at least. I guess the only way to broaden support for the installer a lot would be to work on upstreaming it to the lineage project so that the broader community does the work for them.

LineageOS currently supports 179 models, so it's not a copy of the LineageOS device list.[1][2] These projects support different selections of devices. There are devices that are supported by /e/ and not by LineageOS, and vice versa. [1] https://www.lineageoslog.com/statistics [2] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

The lists look a lot closer if you tick "Show discontinued devices" on the LineageOS site

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#175

Is there any Android alternative that works with Android Auto? One of the primary uses of my phone is plugging into my car to play music and navigate.

I've been searching for an alternative to Android Auto itself. After an update some months ago, launching the app takes me to a settings panel declaring that Android Auto is no longer supported for phone screens (i.e. it is now only designed to run while linked to a car with a compatible display), and the app itself refuses to run as it used to on just the phone. Add that functionality to the Google graveyard, I gues…

Possible workaround: downgrade to an older version and disable auto-update?

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

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post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a strong believer in the right of people to cut their food as they see fit...but there's a real-world problem here. You know who else loves knives? Criminals and thugs, who use them to engage in larceny and assault.

And guess what? In some jurisdictions, including some US states, possession and sale of some types of knives is banned or controlled, because they are used by criminals and thugs for larceny and assault. You're also not permitted to upload whatever firmware you like to your car's engine if you want to run it on the street. Note also that I didn't argue that uploading alternate firmware to phones should be banned. I'm…

This could be easily solved if manufacturers simply allowed for using a unique password to unlock the bootloader. Want to install a custom ROM? Simple! Put the phone in recovery mode, insert the unique manufacturer-provided password, unlock the bootloader, flash the new ROM, go back to recovery, change the password to one of your choosing, lock the bootloader again, add the ROM's official private key to enable safe boot.

This is entirely possible, and yet nobody wants to make it accessible.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

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Can you share the current state with regards to basic functions (phone calls, SMS, mobile data)? Does it work reliably?

Pinephone users don't tend to mention that the phone is about as powerful as a Galaxy S3. So keep that in mind.

The Galaxy S3 could do everything back in the day, it was and still is plenty powerful. Banking apps, messaging apps, social networks, web browsing, etc. Of course it won't do fancy real-tike Snapchat filters and AI image recognition, but if Android 4.4.x was indefinitely maintained I would have zero problems using one today.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#178
post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a strong believer in the right of people to cut their food as they see fit...but there's a real-world problem here. You know who else loves knives? Criminals and thugs, who use them to engage in larceny and assault.

And guess what? In some jurisdictions, including some US states, possession and sale of some types of knives is banned or controlled, because they are used by criminals and thugs for larceny and assault. You're also not permitted to upload whatever firmware you like to your car's engine if you want to run it on the street. Note also that I didn't argue that uploading alternate firmware to phones should be banned. I'm…

Laws against custom engine firmware and knives are unjust themselves, so they shouldn't be used to justify other things.

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#179
post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And guess what? In some jurisdictions, including some US states, possession and sale of some types of knives is banned or controlled, because they are used by criminals and thugs for larceny and assault. You're also not permitted to upload whatever firmware you like to your car's engine if you want to run it on the street. Note also that I didn't argue that uploading alternate firmware to phones should be banned. I'm…

This could be easily solved if manufacturers simply allowed for using a unique password to unlock the bootloader. Want to install a custom ROM? Simple! Put the phone in recovery mode, insert the unique manufacturer-provided password, unlock the bootloader, flash the new ROM, go back to recovery, change the password to one of your choosing, lock the bootloader again, add the ROM's official private key to enable safe b…

So if you forget your password, your expensive device is instantly and permanently bricked and becomes e-waste?

Re: Review of /e/ – Android-based alternative for mobile phones

#180
post #46

Really embarrassing level of blatant copying of iOS icons and design language, here.

"Picasso had a saying. He said, 'Good artists copy; great artists steal', and we have, you know, always been shameless about stealing great ideas." -- Steve Jobs, in Triumph of the Nerds (1996 documentary) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6jeZ7m0ycw

This isn't Steve Jobs.
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