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Yeah wondering about the consequences. By this logic almost every non-EU Saas would be forbidden. For sure Stripe is also not allowed, huge amount of customer data in US hands.
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> It doesn't matter if there are safeguards, technical, or institutional preventions in place. Except the American company made it clear that no such safeguards will be in place and that it will transfer the data out of its EU servers if legally complied to do so. This can be found in the German text at https://rewis.io/urteile/urteil/ocw-13-07-2022-1-vk-2322/ . > Regions. Customer can specify the location(s) where C…
> that it will transfer the data out of its EU servers if legally complied to do so. They have a legal search warrant, This is a EU country they likely have Law enforcement and judicial cooperation treaty with the US.
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You typed that silly reply on an operating system created by a European. You don't think we can host the shit out of that OS in Europe? I think you're just butt hurt because someone said something bad about the greatest country in the whole world that you know of.
If you're talking about linux an operating system based on unix from bell labs. then it just an operating system created by a European which is based on an operating system created by Americans. without one the other wouldn't exist.
Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…
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I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you mean that each individual is supposed to know where every site is based instead of having country-wide/EU-wide protections in place?
Yeah. Individuals are perfectly capable of making that decision. I don't want my government telling me where I should keep my data.
Individuals are not perfectly capable of this decision, especially since they are multiple steps removed from said decision (e.g. saas I use is using another service hosted on amazon); and in a lot of the cases (e.g. using a software for their job) not even in a place where they can make the decision.
Government does not tell you where you should keep your data. They tell, where you can't.
This is because it is not a compliant place to store data at. Same reason we don't want you to store data in china, for example.
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Comparable move could be for US to forbid using EU hosted services to ie. store medical records of US citizens etc., no?
No, because Germany doesn't have that big of an IT space. Aerospace and automotive would be good sectors to hit back with because they are more relatively important to Germany as IT is for the US.
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NATO membership is also true for Turkey, which is not always considered friendly with the EU and US.
Turkey is a very interesting case, and is rooted in the Cold War. But I do agree Turkey is less friendly dly and is on my personal no-go zone for safety reasons.
For example, you would have had an amazing time 20 years ago with a level of security comparable to other European countries. Nowadays? Personal no-go zone is a wise decision, to say the least. If I didn't have my biological family there; I would have done the same in an instant.
1. A company in your own country which got marketshare mostly because of legal reasons and government interference.
2. A company which got marketshare by building products that people loved all over the world, has the smartest people working for them and have generated more value than the vast majority of the companies that existed previously in the world combined.
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Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying
Why should they? Europe signed free trade agreements and promised they would open their markets to the USA if the USA reciprocated. Excluding American companies from doing business seems a pretty big violation of this. I guess EU is free to cancel those free trade agreements, but they aren't free to just ignore them and just make it illegal for American companies to do business in Europe because of privacy rules that…
I'm unaware of any free trade agreements with the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agre...
The US only has free trade agreements with some American countries and South Korea/Australia outside: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free-trade_agree...
But this is all irrelevant because free trade doesn't trump rights (privacy/due process/etc).
Simple question. Who do you trust your data with? 1. A company in your own country which got marketshare mostly because of legal reasons and government interference. 2. A company which got marketshare by building products that people loved all over the world, has the smartest people working for them and have generated more value than the vast majority of the companies that existed previously in the world combined.
2. Your own government that is held accountable to local laws.