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Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by rasz »

pojzon wrote: post #87
LegitShady wrote: post #45

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I agree - it's definitely not the right time to be getting a new car if you can help it. I said to myself I'd drive this car for at least 10 years...what's another year or two to let prices come back to earth.

In few years when petrol and disel cars get banned in 1st world countries -> gonna buy my dream car for peanuts. My country does not care about the climate (Poland). Thats just reality. One man’s trash is anothers man’s treasure.

Poland is in EU, so your dream car will be a lawn/garage queen unless you plan moving to Russia or Africa.

Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by yellowapple »

BobLaw wrote: post #168
yellowapple wrote: post #162

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Okay but Ferrari can't remotely turn that Ferrari into a Camry.

Nothing happened remotely, the discrepancy was noticed when the car was brought in for a service.

And a service center can't turn that Ferrari into a Camry, either.

Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by pojzon »

rasz wrote: post #171
pojzon wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In few years when petrol and disel cars get banned in 1st world countries -> gonna buy my dream car for peanuts. My country does not care about the climate (Poland). Thats just reality. One man’s trash is anothers man’s treasure.

Poland is in EU, so your dream car will be a lawn/garage queen unless you plan moving to Russia or Africa.

Poland being in EU doesnt stop it from breaking EU laws left and right.

Im not saying its good but thats just how it is.

Poland was always a market for used cars from Germany, this will not change.

Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by NoSorryCannot »

greedo wrote: post #147
NoSorryCannot wrote: post #133

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No, I don't think they are. For example, a credit card processing fee doesn't raise the price of a gallon of gasoline. There is supposed to be a difference between markup and a fee. We don't have to hash out what exactly the difference is, just observe that there is a difference. It's a common grift to hide part of the price in unadvertised "fees" so that consumers will have a harder time comparing options but it is…

Uh, despite the best attempts of credit card companies to hide the fact, their card processing fees do raise the price of gasoline. Before they held as much power over gas retailers, gas stations used to list a cash price and a credit price. The cash price was usually around a nickel cheaper. But now the merchant card agreements prevent having dual pricing (though some businesses try to get away with dual pricing).

I think we only care about the presentation of fees to consumers assessed separately from the advertised price. Countless costs of doing business (and markup) are built into the advertised price. At least it is very simple for the consumer to compare prices.

A per-transaction credit card fee doesn't raise the unit price. Getting hung up on the evolving details of gas stations and credit card processing isn't the point.

Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

jaygreco wrote: post #163
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #121

As long as you people (and I mean that specifically, wealthy white collar professionals who want a crossover are THE #1 target demographic for this thing) they will keep doing it.

As long as you people they will keep doing it?

There was supposed to be a "keep buying them" in there.

Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by [deleted] »

BobLaw wrote: post #144
roody15 wrote: post #115

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The idea of dealerships was to force car companies to spread the wealth. For example if you purchase a car at a local dealer all the sales tax goes to the local taxing body (city / sometimes county). This generates a huge amount of money for public services. Additionally the employees of the dealerships typically live in the same region further spreading the wealth. Yes buying direct from dealer would be cheaper but…

Uhh no that's not at all correct. The taxes are paid to whatever jurisdiction you register your car. If you live in Texas and you buy a car in Wyoming the Taxes get paid to you local tax accessor. It doesn't matter if you buy it from a dealership or a manufacturer. Manufacturers also have employees in the regions they sell because they need staff for their delivery and service centers at minimum. The history of how w…

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Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by roody15 »

BobLaw wrote: post #144
roody15 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of dealerships was to force car companies to spread the wealth. For example if you purchase a car at a local dealer all the sales tax goes to the local taxing body (city / sometimes county). This generates a huge amount of money for public services. Additionally the employees of the dealerships typically live in the same region further spreading the wealth. Yes buying direct from dealer would be cheaper but…

Uhh no that's not at all correct. The taxes are paid to whatever jurisdiction you register your car. If you live in Texas and you buy a car in Wyoming the Taxes get paid to you local tax accessor. It doesn't matter if you buy it from a dealership or a manufacturer. Manufacturers also have employees in the regions they sell because they need staff for their delivery and service centers at minimum. The history of how w…

Thanks I stand corrected. I see Laws have changed and local municipalities are now able to capture some of this revenue even with out of state vehicle purchases or direct from dealership purchases

Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by BobLaw »

yellowapple wrote: post #172
BobLaw wrote: post #168

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Nothing happened remotely, the discrepancy was noticed when the car was brought in for a service.

And a service center can't turn that Ferrari into a Camry, either.

What nonsense are you talking about? This sort of stuff happens in construction all the time. If the wrong materials get delivered to you site they absolutely can and will come take what you didn't pay for and bring you the correct materials.

Same thing if any enterprise hardware or software is provisioned incorrectly. Same thing with telecom.

Same thing with cars. If the wrong car gets dropped off they can and absolutely will send a truck to retrieve it.

Re: Toyota RAV4 Prime hybrid SUV now selling for 48% over MSRP

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Post by BobLaw »

yellowapple wrote: post #161
BobLaw wrote: post #83

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If you read the story or the comments the car had a 60kwh battery replaced under warranty but only a 90kwh was available. Procedure was to set the battery firmware to 60 kwh but for whatever reason that didn't happen. The car was then sold twice until someone found the discrepancy and fixed it. Nobody received anything less than they paid for from Tesla. The current owner may have been deceived by one of the previous…

If you read the comments, you'd have seen the analogy to Apple repairing a laptop with slightly better parts and then deciding multiple years later to software-nerf it. I don't know about you, but I'd be livid - in both cases.

You would be livid you got exactly what you paid for?
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