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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by jpk »

therealasdf wrote: post #143
jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

Why do Americans think they represent the world? Your adversary is not our adversary.

> Why do Americans think they represent the world?

I don't claim to.

The context is: US regulators arguing for operational restrictions of a foreign-to-the-US company on the basis of being controlled by an adversary of the US.

If you have any insight from a place with friendly relations with China, you're welcome to share it.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by arvinsim »

moomoo11 wrote: post #160
Grimburger wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Good for you, but try imagine hearing this from a Chinese national. "Whatever it needs" to do...

Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

Sounds like a case of "I had mine so you all can go f*ck yourselves"

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by dubswithus »

ipatec wrote: post #106
dubswithus wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese government censors posts on social media. It’s nefarious by design. Nothing like that happens with FAANG.

really? where were you during covid?

Trying to get vaccinated at CVS.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

Red flags ever since it was "breaking news" in the infosec community that TikTok collects "all information." It's sad at this point how much of a slave humanity is to vanity and social media. Social media is a higher risk to humanity than Climate Change.

> When challenged if the CCP has seen any non-public user data, he said, “We have never shared information with the Chinese government nor would we […]

Such easy misdirection. Never shared, doesn't mean CCP doesn't just injest it. Most people don't have the ability to understand how information works in tech anyway. I don't blame them. We're in a situation that's way worse than "the 1%", it's the 0.001% that know how information technology works.

As an aside...

I can't tell if it is a comedy, tragedy, or thriller when the story-line that ends up creating AGI most likely will be an Intelligence Agency. With all the data collection they're doing and prediction, they may even already have invented it decades ago.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by j3th9n »

DocTomoe wrote: post #99
dubswithus wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren’t just going to surveil you though. They will actively work to promote disinformation to you.

The more I read about the dangers of disinformation, the more I get the idea that 'disinformation' just means 'information my current government does not agree with'.

Welcome to the Matrix.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by biohacker85 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #116
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

Well in that case I hope you don't moan when the EU places heavy restrictions on the data harvesting that American companies do. I get the paranoia around China, I honestly do. I'm not at all unsupportive of the Chinese regime either. But this "one rule for us another for them" principle really needs to stop.

The companies themselves may moan but I don't think everyday Americans really care what the EU does.

> But this "one rule for us another for them" principle really needs to stop. Why would any nation treat foreign companies equal to their own? I don't see the problem especially when its from an adversary or a nation who's companies are an extension of their government.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by arvinsim »

puszczyk wrote: post #142
pokepim wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Seriously, you equate banning TikTok to being a racist or an antisemite?

Banning Tiktok would have serious geopolitical consequences.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by SapporoChris »

ampgt wrote: post #114
jossclimb wrote: post #73

"Only Americans are allowed to spy on other Americans!"

Yes. Because when Americans “spy on” other Americans they have to abide by the fourth amendment. China does not.

>Because when Americans “spy on” other Americans they have to abide by the fourth amendment.

Thank you, I had a good laugh: Snowden, Amazon Ring, Social Media, many many more. I sincerely hope that you do not honestly believe that Americans 'have to' abide by the fourth amendment. It's violated with ever increasing frequency and while enforcement is prevalent in some areas it is absent in others.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by NoboruWataya »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

This isn't about TikTok posing a security risk to the consumer. It's about TikTok posing a security risk to the state. Of course the FCC, which is effectively an arm of the US government, is not going to be as concerned about corporations handing your data over to the US government.
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