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There have been good A/B studies showing significant changes in response rate to resumes with and without photos. How someone looks doesn't seem like it should be correlated with their ability to draw a picture or choose a search algorithm.
I adamantly am a camera off person but am shame to admit I do add my photo to resume, it really did make responses from companies night and day
Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem
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Refusing to be on web cam without a compelling reason is a huge red flag by itself.
I very seldom feel inclined to refuse , but I even more seldom feel comfortable on camera. Which is to say in most circumstances I avoid being on camera when I can. I’ve been remote most of my career, nothing changed the last few years to introduce new stressors around this. I just don’t like being on video, or interacting with other people on video. It gives me a firm but unspecific sense of unease is unlikely to be…
I think we all get not wanting to be on camera for every meeting, but surely it makes sense to present yourself on camera for the initial interview if you're able?
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#173I got burned by something like this. I hired an editor (not on Upwork) who had worked for a number of very famous authors (people you've heard of, people who've sold millions of copies). They did a fantastic sample edit, and the quality of the work dropped off precipitously by about the 20% point of the manuscript. The best-case scenario is that they just didn't care, because I'm a nobody and because of the novel's l…
The term of art for this process from the MBA side is "Extracting the value from the brand". The editor developed the reputation for good work, which had some value. Now they're cashing in by selling the brand attached to poor work. The reputation is decaying at some rate, but slower than the editor is extracting money. Notice, for example, you're not helping it decay, your story can't be tied to the bad actor. You h…
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I very seldom feel inclined to refuse , but I even more seldom feel comfortable on camera. Which is to say in most circumstances I avoid being on camera when I can. I’ve been remote most of my career, nothing changed the last few years to introduce new stressors around this. I just don’t like being on video, or interacting with other people on video. It gives me a firm but unspecific sense of unease is unlikely to be…
Sure, I relate: but would you comply if asked for webcam on for an interview for a remote position?
And I now do a video chat about once a week, which isn’t particularly demanding, and it’s generally a positive experience because we work well together… but I do take an hour or two to decompress afterwards.
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I very seldom feel inclined to refuse , but I even more seldom feel comfortable on camera. Which is to say in most circumstances I avoid being on camera when I can. I’ve been remote most of my career, nothing changed the last few years to introduce new stressors around this. I just don’t like being on video, or interacting with other people on video. It gives me a firm but unspecific sense of unease is unlikely to be…
I think if you're introducing yourself to people who'd like to hire you and haven't met you, it is normal etiquette to appear on camera. There is still a level of body language conveyed, even if it's just your face. I think we all get not wanting to be on camera for every meeting, but surely it makes sense to present yourself on camera for the initial interview if you're able?
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I admire your anonymous candor.
I'd call it cowardice since he's hiding behind a pseudonym. Let him tell his employers what's going on and see if he feels the same way. As my grandmother used to say, "If you have to hide it, it's probably wrong."
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I think if you're introducing yourself to people who'd like to hire you and haven't met you, it is normal etiquette to appear on camera. There is still a level of body language conveyed, even if it's just your face. I think we all get not wanting to be on camera for every meeting, but surely it makes sense to present yourself on camera for the initial interview if you're able?
I don’t know about etiquette, but body language is generally not how I want to be viewed during a hiring process, on screen or in person. I’m not particularly talented at making appropriate eye contact, or not flailing inappropriately, or keeping my coffee mug from crashing on the floor. I’m very talented at engineering software. I’m sure many businesses would agree I’m not a good fit, and… well, too bad for them.
I've made it clear to bossmang that I don't really do customer contact. I got badly burned out in technical support decades ago, and it's still baggage I carry around, so I simply do not have a "customer service voice".
I'm hired to develop software, and I will do that to the best of my ability, but if they ever ask me to help out on the support end, I've made it clear what they can expect.
"Now listen here, you little shit..."
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Refusing to be on web cam without a compelling reason is a huge red flag by itself.
I've worked with clients in the past who have never seen my face in video. Had years long relationships with some of them without ever having seen each other on webcam, and it worked out great on both of our ends.
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There have been good A/B studies showing significant changes in response rate to resumes with and without photos. How someone looks doesn't seem like it should be correlated with their ability to draw a picture or choose a search algorithm.
We’re not talking unconscious bias silliness here. We’re talking about literal fraud/misrepresentation and needing verification that someone is who they claim to be. Using our eyebulbs isn’t inherently problematic.
The A/B studies are also used to prove discrimination that people usually won't admit to, not only to reveal unconscious bias.