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Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by stjohnswarts »

iso1631 wrote: post #32
giantg2 wrote: post #10

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Ten sounds like a nightmare for working parents. Eight seems like a completely reasonable start time to me, yet this law prevents that. Schools should be able to decide for themselves based off of the parents and what works for those in the district.

Why? We're talking high schools - which I believe in the US is about age 15 onwards, nothing to do with parents

13,14, or 15. Source: I was 13 when I started high school in 9th grade. Not all high schools start at 10th grade

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by elil17 »

giantg2 wrote: post #45
iso1631 wrote: post #32

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Why? We're talking high schools - which I believe in the US is about age 15 onwards, nothing to do with parents

How do you think this has nothing to do with parents? You do realize that 14-17 is still a minor?

The idea that just because you’re a minor you can’t take a bus, a bus specifically for children, in fact, is ludicrous. Can’t coddle kids forever. Except for special needs people should be able to do basic things by themselves at age 13, earlier in most cases.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by khazhoux »

ar_lan wrote: post #151
khazhoux wrote: post #89

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> I had a 0-period class starting at 6:00am Your school admins were assholes. What unholy sadists would start school that early?? What country was this?

This was California.

Wow... so assuming 0-period was optional (per another commenter above), your first mandatory class was 7am every day? That's still insane for a school district to demand all kids and their parents to be up at 6am. Terribly inconsiderate.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by stjohnswarts »

giantg2 wrote: post #45
iso1631 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? We're talking high schools - which I believe in the US is about age 15 onwards, nothing to do with parents

How do you think this has nothing to do with parents? You do realize that 14-17 is still a minor?

There's a reason that age is called "young adult" . Only helicopter parents can't handle the idea of a 13 year old not being okay on their own for an hour or so after they head out to work. I was riding my bike to school at 9 and I survived, kids haven't changed that much in 15 years. Obviously there are exceptions like for special needs children, but those are pretty rare.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by elil17 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #117
ghaff wrote: post #99

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I wouldn't say "nothing to do with parents." But kids in that age range can do quite a few things on their own. I was in college in a different city at 16.

It's not so much them getting to school on their own, yes they can easily do that. It's making sure they are actually awake. When my kids were teens, if someone was not there to make sure they got up, they would sleep until 10 or 11. Alarms, etc. had basically no effect they could sleep through a tornado.

The later you start school, the less of an issue this will be.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by elil17 »

giantg2 wrote: post #93
alar44 wrote: post #88

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And are fully capable of walking, riding bikes, or waiting for the bus on their own. The permanent infantilization of America is fucking insane and dangerous.

Parents get forced into it due to the laws and societal expectations (juries/civil cases). Guess who can go to jail if their teenage kid doesn't go to school? Fix that law, and then we can start talking about these.

Yes we should fix those laws. But now most schools let you stay late, no reason they won’t be able to let you come earlier for those who need it.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by elil17 »

lcvw wrote: post #146
imadethis wrote: post #92

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No high school student is going to daycare though, and this law is specifically for high school students.

High school has sports and activities though. I know many families that use the sports team as if it were a day care. If they do sports the kids usually get out somewhere between 4:30 and 5:30. Where I live now, a lot of the high schoolers are in school 7:30-5:30. It’s pretty ridiculous, since they also have homework. Many high schools seem to be in the process of transforming themselves into juvenile prisons designe…

Sports can happen before school

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by tshaddox »

lcvw wrote: post #146
imadethis wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No high school student is going to daycare though, and this law is specifically for high school students.

High school has sports and activities though. I know many families that use the sports team as if it were a day care. If they do sports the kids usually get out somewhere between 4:30 and 5:30. Where I live now, a lot of the high schoolers are in school 7:30-5:30. It’s pretty ridiculous, since they also have homework. Many high schools seem to be in the process of transforming themselves into juvenile prisons designe…

It must be a fairly low portion of high school students who do after-school activities every single day, right?

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by barry-cotter »

imadethis wrote: post #92
bluGill wrote: post #36

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They already have daycare picking the kids up. Now they have to drop the kids off, and the kids can't really do anything at daycare because they are quickly getting into the bus to get to school, then when off school there is less time to do anything before their parents pick them up again.

No high school student is going to daycare though, and this law is specifically for high school students.

It’s not an analogy. One of school’s main purposes along with sorting and ranking and reducing their tendency to creativity and independent thought is day care.
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