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Who is going to replace Google for us?

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Re: Who is going to replace Google for us?

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I miss the non-commercial web of old. It's got into the point where I think my ultimate search engine is one that ranks pages by fewest ads. And I get that people make a living by putting advertising on their pages. I'm not really against that. (Though I don't do that myself for my own reasons, I wouldn't presume to tell other people what to do with their websites.) But it's been abused to the point where number of a…

I can't for the life of me understand why people don't put static ads that are relevant to the consumers of their content. I was close to doing this once for a product I was CTO of, but I couldn't push it all the way through. We were so niche, and knowing exactly who our audience was. It's mind boggling to me that we chose to darkly monetize their data instead of showing them relevant domain ads.

> I can't for the life of me understand why people don't put static ads that are relevant to the consumers of their content.

It's kind of a matching and scaling problem. The ad publisher wants to have a well targeted audience that will convert well, while the website wants to generate ad revenue that won't drive people away.

The problem is that the ad publisher probably doesn't want to deal with the hassle of negotiating with dozens of niche websites for their audience, while the websites don't really want to do the same either. Hence, the rise of ad exchanges, which offers benefits for the ad publishers (deal with only a handful of exchanges, all kind of ad targeting criteria) and the websites (deal with only the exchange, add an ad snippet to generate revenue almost immediately).

The catch is that to extract the most money from ads, the exchanges do all kinds of tracking to figure out the most optimal ads to serve and we end up with the current adtech industry, instead of manually targeted static ads.

Re: Who is going to replace Google for us?

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Time to get back to curated lists of interesting websites.

I unironically do that. Maybe I should publish? We could make a small project that just has interesting websites and reviews? Yelp for the interesting web?

And you could call it something quirky, like Yippee!

Re: Who is going to replace Google for us?

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post #75

Do people miss the Google of old, or the Web of old? The Web used to be very information dense. It was built from the ground up by specialists and enthusiasts, educational and governmental institutions, and groups of like-minded individuals. Then it became commercialized and commodified. Entire industries popped up to shovel mass-produced crap to masses of people through Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. Forums became s…

  Do people miss the Google of old, or the Web of old?
I miss both, but I miss the Google of old more. How can I be sure of that? Because much of the web of old still exists! There are plenty of decade-old pages out there. And a person could still find them on Google today, if only Google didn't fill its initial page of search results with advertisements and content-farmed dreck.

Re: Who is going to replace Google for us?

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Time to get back to curated lists of interesting websites.

I unironically do that. Maybe I should publish? We could make a small project that just has interesting websites and reviews? Yelp for the interesting web?

I think some aggregators, like Jason Kottke, post lots of interesting things, but not usually the weird, unpolished, personal stuff that I associate with the 90s web. Something like early Yahoo would be cool.

Re: Who is going to replace Google for us?

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Google also has an outsized influence on the kind of content that's on the web. At some point in the past, from what I remember, they started ranking blog content lower than more "authoritative" sources, hastening the decline of personal blogging. If you're wondering why every recipe on the internet has ten paragraphs on how this recipe is their grandmother's favorite and how it reminds the author of the freshness of…

Time to get back to curated lists of interesting websites.

www.readsomethinginteresting.com / www.thinking-about-things.com are both pretty good aggregators.

Re: Who is going to replace Google for us?

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post #75

Do people miss the Google of old, or the Web of old? The Web used to be very information dense. It was built from the ground up by specialists and enthusiasts, educational and governmental institutions, and groups of like-minded individuals. Then it became commercialized and commodified. Entire industries popped up to shovel mass-produced crap to masses of people through Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. Forums became s…

Spam, clickbait and malicious content has always been around, yet Google somehow managed to filter it out just fine back in the day. As another commenter points out, good content from the past still exists even, yet is no longer surfaced.

Google can trivially detect all of the things wrong with the modern web and use them as negative ranking signals. Ads, analytics and affiliate links are a pretty good proxy for "shit site".

The problem is that Google ultimately benefits from spam sites and bad results in many ways:

* bad results increase the time you spend on search result pages and increase the probability the best "result" is actually one of the ads at the top * spam sites may contain Google ads and analytics

Ultimately it is not in Google's interest to give you good results.

Re: Who is going to replace Google for us?

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Big news old man: skinny jeans died a few years ago and now the mom jeans of the '90s are back in

I thought we moved on/back to baggy jeans

Nah, we back on ripped jeans now homie. Prob by the time I’ve hit submit on this we’ll be on 70’s flares again. Cycles are speeding up in this as everything.

Re: Who is going to replace Google for us?

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Sadly openai has fallen behind google at their own game. Google was able to invest heavily and optimize it's hardware and infrastructure down to the silicon, which has turned out to be the critical competitive advantage in AI. Openai is really struggling to compete with google because of this.

Are they struggling to compete? OpenAI's GPT-3 and DALL-E 2 are much better known than Google's competing models LaMDA, PaLM, and Imagen.

Unless they are quietly sitting on some really big work (which isn't out of the question), openai seems to be getting substantially leapfrogged by google. In terms of how "well known" googles language models are, most of us already interact with googles models daily via search. This gives them a massive market head start in users, and an enormous amount of data that will be impossible to catch up with unless google completely shoots themselves in the foot on this stuff.
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