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Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by grecy »

swighton wrote: post #44

Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements). https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4 One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.

I watched your YT grow from just a few thousand to what it is now, and I've seen every video.

You are a HUGE inspiration to me, slowly growing past 55,000 subs.

Thanks for the amazing videos and inspiration!!

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by renlo »

femto wrote: post #150
ramraj07 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You absolutely should sue them with prior art or something if they patent it. You had an amazing fairly well distributed YouTube video with this design anyway.

Anyone here can submit prior art during the patenting process. No suing or courts involved. You only have to care enough to make the submission. Interestingly, videos don't seem to count? It must be a written description? https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2206.html

Do subtitles count?

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by numlock86 »

what-imright wrote: post #86

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> What’s with people making a logo and trademark using their name? That’s really sad. Can’t take designers seriously after they make a logo for themselves

Care to elaborate? If anything people not having anything to be proud of their name for (like you apparently?) are a pretty sad and depressing thing to think about.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by orthoxerox »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #132
franciscop wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Def want to see Enclave's under Lock Picking Lawyer! If you make a "unpickable lock" you'd def want to send it to LPL, that's like the ultimate proof of how easy/hard it is to pick. The fact that there's no video, with how approachable LPL is and accepts random locks in his PO box, can only be seen as a red flag. Do it in the open, like Stuff Made Here!

Didn't know HN had so many lock experts and lawyers frequenting the site. Dozens of comments have already detected an IP violation, half the thread is recommending ways the lock can be tested or people it needs to be sent to for confirmation of the unpickable claim... As someone who doesn't know anything about lockpicking, I feel like part of a weird minority here. What do I know but I'd assumed one would take it to…

That youtuber has won his fair share of locksport competitions.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by Rechtsstaat »

can16358p wrote: post #164

I have zero knowledge about the topic and something in the video confuses me: In the YouTube video explanation around 2:30, when individual positions (not sure if it's the correct word: talking about the different parts of the lock's inner array moving based on the position of the key/pick) are picked, why doesn't the inner mechanism at snap back to its initial state by the spring's force when key/pick is moved out o…

The pins usually don't fit exactly (because they still need to be able to move up and down), meaning that you can turn the lock slightly even without the pins at the right positions.

If a pin is pushed up completely, and you turn the lock slightly, the pin can get stuck in the right position. This is done with a torsion wrench, keeping torsion on the lock while trying to get the pins in the right position with picks, hooks, or rakes.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by rblatz »

lrvick wrote: post #133

I am a reasonably capable lockpicker and lock collector with hundreds of locks of every mechanism I can get my hands on... and as LPL often demonstrates, the vast majority of them, particularly the move clever seeming designs, are actually easy to pick. I have one of the Enclave lock prototypes on my desk and can confirm the machining is brilliant and I have no idea how one could approach picking this. No feedback at…

So looking at the lock’s YouTube video it may be susceptible to an attack where you set all the pins to their lowest, turn the key and then jolt the lock several times while continuing to turn the key.

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Post by lexicality »

HellsMaddy wrote: post #163
upwardbound wrote: post #43

I don't know if this is too slow of an attack to count, but you could build an automated lockpicking machine that would iterate over the possible pin height combinations. If a fast robotic machine could input & test one key pattern per second, it would find the correct pattern in 12.96 hours or less. One pattern per second should be quite feasible. Here's an example video that shows how robots can move very quickly w…

To counteract brute-forcing, how about adding a rate-limiting mechanism? I could imagine each attempt to rotate the cylinder could partially compress a spring-loaded lever. There could be some sort of ratcheting return mechanism that allows the spring to decompress at a known rate (think a kitchen timer). Once the spring is compressed beyond a certain point (e.g. after 5 failed attempts), a mechanism locks out the cy…

Sounds like an interesting way to get locked out of your house.

You would need successful uses of the key to reset the ratchet or every 5 times you opened your door it would become inoperable for 10 minutes, assuming the spring for the timer hasn't rusted or got a bit of grit in it or whatever.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by _ph_ »

csours wrote: post #47

What's the threat model? Does this lock secure a location that has no windows? Can a sledgehammer be used to open the door? Ok, so maybe covert entry is harder. Do you care THAT much about covert entry? If you care that much about covert entry, do you also have video monitoring? Security solutions need to be used in context.

Thinking about larger houses with multiple appartments, which is very common in Germany, lock picking is the number one way of entering, as it reduces the risk of detection and quite fast. Beyond the ground floor, no one would try to enter through windows anyway, and there the recommendation of the police is to have locks for your windows. It seems to be very uncommon that one tries to break through the glass. Good glass is tough, breaking makes noise and then there is quite some danger of injury. Any good lock can make quite a difference and these locks look very promising as they would defeat the typical picking.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Post by nabla9 »

I just want to point out that LockPickingLawyer never touches modern high security locks. (Say Abloy Protec or similar). Abloy Classic mechanism (from 1907) seems to be the the only Abloy lock he can pick (with a special tool made for the mechanism).

For some strange reason North American homes have the worst locks I have ever seen. Very little high security locks. In Finland, something like 90% of installed locks are beyond the skills of LockPickingLawyer (he could drill them of course).

If you are willing to pay little more, it's relative easy to buy a high security lock (or padlock) that is never pricked even by hobbyists.

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