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Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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Agree the Russian invasion doesn't help matters... but this is not the primary cause of inflation. The amount of money that the US has simply created and spent in last couple of years in unprecedented. The amount of money inserted into the US economy dwarfs that of the TARPP and related bailouts of 2008 by a factor of 4. You just cannot create and hand out that much cash in an economy and not expect inflation.

If you think the dollar is worth less then no doubt that's reflected in say gold prices, which were between 1600 and 1900 from July 2011 to April 2013. They are currently 1800. If all that extra money had devalued fiat currencies globally (at roughly the same value), why hasn't gold increased?

I think that in order to have any chance of actually measuring the value of money, whatever metric is used would have to be something that cannot be sold (because otherwise, when the value of money drops relative to the value of the inflation measure, people will sell the inflation measure to buy money, and vice versa, in order to keep their portfolios balanced). We see it with gold, and with bitcoin, and with stocks, and housing, and the general saying that "during a market crash, everything is correlated".

Of course, that leads to the question of "what would serve as a good proxy for the actual value of currency", and I don't have a good answer to that. CPI is the traditional answer, but I don't think it's a sufficient one because

1. CPI misses out on some of what people care about (e.g. asset prices are actually important in determining what kind of long-term lifestyle people can afford) 2. We want to disentangle "commodities went up because of supply shocks that will resolve themselves" and "commodities went up because money is permanently worth less", to the extent that it is even meaningful to disentangle these things

So yeah, it is entirely possible that the dollar is worth less [relative to what people care about], and also gold is worth less [relative to what people care about], and it is even possible that that is causally downstream of injecting a bunch of dollars into the economy, but I have no idea how one would robustly demonstrate that that was or was not the case. If you have any ideas on that front I'd love to hear them.

Also if you are aware of any assets that are _strongly and reliably anticorrelated_ with most other assets during recessions, I would be interested for much more personal reasons.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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The administration did not cut production. Covid did. The oil industry is dragging their feet.

We were net exporters during covid under the last admin. This is the policy the current admin enacted that cut our production: https://www.csis.org/analysis/biden-makes-sweeping-changes-o... Please point to something that supports your theory that "covid did it" and oil companies are "dragging their feet". - edit, at my post limit - @vel0city: Banning new leases two years ago hurt our production output. Banning new s…

Here is one example. "Not Even at $200 a Barrel: Shale Giants Swear They Won’t Drill More"

[1] https://energynow.com/2022/02/not-even-at-200-a-barrel-shale...

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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Interest rates are not the only government mechanism that can be used to control interest rates.

Stimulus can be done in a way that is highly targeted. When it is not, it has the same effect as rates being too low and can lead to things like overemployment and inflation.

Politically, there has been significant demand for overemployment, that is, unemployment levels that are lower than they should be, or, put another way, an economy where labor is too scarce.

Anyone who has tried to hire tech talent domestically in recent years has faced significant scarcity and can attest to the quality tradeoffs that must often be made such as hiring someone with insufficient experience and hoping it works out, or needing to invest more heavily in training and mentorship than seems reasonable.

In growth areas like tech, this is normal and is the result of growth itself, but recently the US economy has seen this kind of thing in many different kinds of jobs, even retail and food service jobs. It's not uncommon to find a packed restaurant being handled by one or two waitstaff, leading to slower turnaround and overall reduced capacity of the restaurant and less money being made overall.

This is blamed on the pandemic and all kinds of other causes, but the root cause is the infliction of intentional labor shortages on the economy for political reasons.

Similarly, the COVID stimulus in the previous administration was given out with minimal vetting and significant misallocation (payments to businesses that didn't need it), and there has been no retrospective accountability for any of it. It boils down to something that was supposed to be a targeted stimulus (to prevent firms from going out of business or laying off workers) became an untargeted one and spoils were given to firms that misrepresented need and used the money for things other than staying solvent or keeping payroll going.

So of course we are seeing the consequences of this now in the form of both inflation and economic stagnation.

This is not the fault of one political party. Neither has any restraint when it comes to wanting broad stimulus and artificially low unemployment numbers, and there is a lot of finger pointing about the extremely predictable inflation that is occurring.

Raising rates penalizes all the firms that did not seek stimulus inappropriately, as well as the ones who sought it because they needed it.

Chances are rates will go up at least another 1.5 or 2 percent in the next year. This is unfortunate, and the economic correction resulting from it will be significant and will last for many years longer than the brief period of artificial joy we got over the past few years.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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I have mixed feelings on tech stocks. I feel like the general competence has gone down, and that makes them vulnerable. Google is a shitshow right now. I don't think they can do B2B. Chrome Extensions. GSuite Free. Google Workspace App security audits. I can list of dozens of other disruptions like that. No one trusts them. At the same time, cost structure is astronomical; employee count has grown exponentially, to m…

Google and Facebook make insane profits. Advertisers are paying huge $ per click or for YouTube views. Maybe Google management is suboptimal, but the company generates cash like no other.

Generating cash doesn’t immediately ensure longevity.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

Wages have been riser faster than inflation and triggering a recession will reverse that.

People love to act like they’re helping poor people when in truth they’re just hurting the labor market ie everyone but rich people.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

takes guts to do this and it was needed. Problem is that it will expose that most of the US economy is a sham that needed 0% interest rates to even fake growth. our "leaders" have been kicking the can down the road for a long time. US economy used to grow even with very high interest rates, now even a slight increase puts us into a recession.

Is this because of the transition to a service economy?

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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A key driver to inflation is that wages for lower-income workers was finally starting to rise. Tanking the economy will hurt these people the most. But yes, inflation would flatten.

...and the lower classes hold a lot of debt, which under high inflation would start to vaporize. It would effectively transfer a lot of wealth from those who hold a lot of cash to those who don't. Can't have that.

The lower classes hold a lot of debt? Can you source that? I would assume middle/upper class would hold most debt.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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A key driver to inflation is that wages for lower-income workers was finally starting to rise. Tanking the economy will hurt these people the most. But yes, inflation would flatten.

I don’t know anyone who has had their salaries keep pace with inflation. And I presume the lack of pay rises is the cause for all the industrial action I keep hearing about.

Real wages had been rising in the decade bevor COVID hit:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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You can argue either side to this, and make a good case. My personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation. The easy cop-out solution is to say a "big f*ck off" to pensioners, lower middle class, and poor people and let inflation soar, but I believe that long term this would be more destructive to the general economy. Better take the long term view here and not kick the can down the street.

> pensioners Are US pensions not tied to the CPI or some other inflation measure? (In Germany, pensions are, in principle, tied to the development of wages, which are generally assumed to outpace inflation.)

Yes, Social Security is indexed to inflation. You can also buy a certain amount of I-Bonds that are tied to inflation and are paying very nicely nowadays. Tax free too.

Re: Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75%

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We reduced our oil production before the invasion. Gas prices were multiplying before the invasion. Putin did not force the reduction of our own supply. The current administration did. The invasion may have been the consequence of the reduction of our production and amplified the "price hikes", but it wasn't the cause of the "price hikes", the initial action of reducing production and relying on foreign imports was.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=48636 "At the beginning of 2021, 129 refineries were either operating or idle in the United States (excluding U.S. territories), down from 135 operable refineries listed at the beginning of 2020. The additional refinery closures in the 2021 Refinery Capacity Report largely reflect the impact of responses to COVID-19 on the U.S. refining sector." Claims below that leases…

That's refineries. We're talking about leases for drilling on federal land, which accounts for nearly 25% of US oil & gas production.

Refineries are active and will be active as you need them when importing crude oil from other countries.

The issue is the reliance and importing of crude oil in the first place.

API estimation of impact by federal ban: https://www.api.org/-/media/Files/Policy/Exploration/2020/fe...

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New leases have been banned for the past 2 years.

Companies constantly need to lease land, leases expire, new land is needed.

That's like shutting down new user registrations and pausing all subscriptions and saying there will be no revenue impact because people have paid you in the past.

Those existing users can't resubscribe when their cycle runs out and new users can't enroll at all.

How does that not impact production?

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