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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by xxpor »

Someone1234 wrote: post #159
benoketamad wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And people flock to vsCode and other offerings from MS like IE never happened. People really need long term memory...

I think IE's monopoly is an important component that cannot be ignored when doing comparisons. If Microsoft stopped updating VSCode, 90% is Open Source, and there are multiple good competitors already on the market. So there's minimal captive-ness with VSCode, whereas IE held the browser market captive in outmoded web tech for years, with no real escape for web developers and competitive browsers struggling to make h…

And of course, remember that the base of VSCode is Chromium. Pretty hilarious in the scheme of things.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by layer8 »

user_7832 wrote: post #129
layer8 wrote: post #49

I’ve still been using IE11 up to now by default (for the websites it still renders adequately, with Firefox as a fallback — there’s a “Open current page in Firefox” add-in), for the following reasons: - crisper and higher-contrast font rendering on low-DPI monitors - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. Edi…

On a similar note IE and legacy Edge (non-chromium) had/still have unparalleled snappy scrolling (on touchpads). I really wish I had never used those browsers because nothing today compares to it. UWP apps have decent scrolling, but these old browsers were something else (apparently they took every touchpad movement for scrolling or something, I'm not sure what that means. If anyone from MS would like to chime in I'd…

Right, even scrolling by keyboard feels more snappy to me on IE.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by mm007emko »

benoketamad wrote: post #153
xhrpost wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine having a piece of software where you have 95% global market dominance, a near complete monopoly. And then decide not to update said software in the slightest (other than security fixes) for 6 straight years. Kind of mind blowing.

And people flock to vsCode and other offerings from MS like IE never happened. People really need long term memory...

Well, VSCode is a bad example. It's open source so if Microsoft decides to ditch it, it can be community maintained until people move to something else. Or another foundation can take over or another company can fork it. Come on, VSCode is a "lightweight" IDE ("lightweight" in terms of features, not in terms of resource demands) and it's one of the better ones.

I remember its first version and my first impression was "WTF". Nowadays it's pretty usable. IE of its era really wasn't. You can switch to anything else if you don't want to use VSCode. IE ... you either couldn't (on a company-issued computer) or you didn't know how (at home). Nadella's Microsoft is a far cry from Ballmer's.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

Sunspark wrote: post #155
jrochkind1 wrote: post #127

MOSTLY. > Windows releases where Internet Explorer will still be available after June 15, 2022, include Windows 7 ESU, Windows 8.1, and all versions of Windows 10 LTSC client, IoT, and Server. > "The Internet Explorer (IE) 11 desktop application will end support for Windows 10 semi-annual channel starting June 15, 2022," Microsoft says on the IE11 lifecycle page. > As Microsoft further explains, "for supported operat…

I've never quite understood this MS policy of "ending support" but continuing support anyway for extended support contract customers or for specific versions, etc. The way I look at it, MS obviously is actually continuing to support the product, they are just choosing not to make it available to most people. It's still supported, just not for everyone. I feel that if security patches are still being produced, they sh…

At least Canonical and SUSE are doing the same with their extended support contracts. The patches are being produced, you just have to pay for them.

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Post by somehnacct3757 »

mrtksn wrote: post #88
somehnacct3757 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does there only need to be one web villain? We've unbundled IE's horrors. Safari is now the browser that resists web standards and an open internet for its parent company's personal gain. See: PWAs, webgl, webview. And Chrome is now the thousand pound gorilla forcing standards nobody wants, for its parent company's personal gain. See: manifest v3, cookie security.

Resisting web standards is alright, if people make standards compliant websites it will simply mean that Safari users will miss out some stuff. The problem starts when you implement alternative standards and you have a market share to make people code for your standard. In this situation, your users don't suffer but everyone else suffer, that's what I call villain. Check Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Exterminate strat…

The market forces work the other way. If Safari can't do something, like say if it can't work with webgl 2.0 until four and a half years after every other major browser adds support, devs will avoid using it and middleware will have to maintain support for webgl 1.0 longer. This slows down adoption of web standards and affects everyone.

The only property that benefits from dragging your heels on webgl 2.0 adoption is the App Store, which could see its influence and revenue easily be cannibalized by progressive web apps using modern gpu rendering. And would you look at that, those are exactly the two web standards Safari has dragged its heels on.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by brutusborn »

Sunspark wrote: post #155
jrochkind1 wrote: post #127

MOSTLY. > Windows releases where Internet Explorer will still be available after June 15, 2022, include Windows 7 ESU, Windows 8.1, and all versions of Windows 10 LTSC client, IoT, and Server. > "The Internet Explorer (IE) 11 desktop application will end support for Windows 10 semi-annual channel starting June 15, 2022," Microsoft says on the IE11 lifecycle page. > As Microsoft further explains, "for supported operat…

I've never quite understood this MS policy of "ending support" but continuing support anyway for extended support contract customers or for specific versions, etc. The way I look at it, MS obviously is actually continuing to support the product, they are just choosing not to make it available to most people. It's still supported, just not for everyone. I feel that if security patches are still being produced, they sh…

I wonder if it is because customer-specific patches break parts of the software that most users use, to make it easier to fix the bugs the customer cares about.

But more than likely it is because deploying to that 1 customer is always going to be easier that deploying it publically.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by vermaden »

wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

> (...) Microsoft makes different browsers.

They are not.

They just took Chrome and added their logo and theme around.

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