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Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by Fnoord »

philliphaydon wrote: post #84
deltaonefour wrote: post #80

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The use to pirate stuff all the time. Now it's actually more convenient for me to buy it. But the philosophy I always had was that as long as there were enough people like you paying for software, I wouldn't have to.

I think most people in the industry pirated software when they were students or just beginning. But now that we make money it’s easier to just buy it. Friend of mine pirated photoshop when he was studying and after he finished and started his own business he started paying for it.

All too often the proprietary piece of software sucks, including their price, but its still the best. For example Burp Suite.

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by Fnoord »

beebmam wrote: post #23
voidfunc wrote: post #7

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When developers who usually make 6 figures of money complain about $90/yr IDE price I just cannot help laugh. Actually it's even better... the price elevators down from $90 -> year2 90 - 20% -> year3 90 - 40%. Over three years that's like $150-$200 total and it will save you so many headaches. But that's a steep price? Are you kidding? Why do developers hate tools that cost money when they save them time and allow th…

I think a tool like GitHub Copilot is worth far more than $90/year and I'll gladly pay for it. Probably up to $500/year or even $1000/year I'd pay for Copilot. It has saved me so much headache and time. There's no real competitor for that product and I'm looking forward to it going GA. I'd use emacs/vim and Copilot any day over an IDE. But I'm not sure any IDE is worth $90/year when VS Code is free. The extensions fo…

With VS Code, you pay with your privacy and your resources. These add up slowly and silently.

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by alecthomas »

weatherlite wrote: post #126
justanorherhack wrote: post #50

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IMO it’ll be slower to write crud apis and there are some missing batteries you have to look for, it’s fairly verbose but I think some of that will change with generics and hopefully more pattern matching. On the flip side when you deploy it, it will like just work and run smoothly. Also very easy to add full integration tests as you can create a mock http server at runtime, paired with some db tools (go migrate) it’…

OK thanks for this, the easily mock thing is indeed very nice to have. And maybe Generics will improve things. I don't get why there isn't a function to remove element from a slice (there's some append[:i],[i+1] trick instead) why wouldn't this be wrapped in a stdlib function? call it delete or something. I keep hearing good things about the stdlib - what am I missing? It's that do it yourself mentality I really don'…

A lot of these little irritations were due to a lack of user-accessible generics. Now that generics are available, they're available in the exp/slices package: https://pkg.go.dev/golang.org/x/exp@v0.0.0-20220609121020-a5...

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by abenga »

throwaddzuzxd wrote: post #165
srer wrote: post #115

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Lets see what the Go doc example looks like: sort.Slice(people, func(i, j int) bool { return people[i].Name In Python one might write: people.sort(key=lambda person: person.name) Or in Rust: people.sort_by_key(|person| person.name); // sort_by is also an option... I think it's worth calling out exactly what is happening in the Go example: - We create a closure that captures the people slice - We pass the people slice…

It's worth noting though that Go's way is just 40 characters more than Python with an inline comparison function and Go's verbosity. If I need to reverse the order, it looks easier to do with Go (just reverse the operator) than with Python and Rust way (I guess both have something like an "order" additional parameter). Rust and Python both feel more elegant but I actually like Go's way.

Python has a `reverse=True` kwarg for doing this.

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by erik_seaberg »

Beltalowda wrote: post #148
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #49

I'm still baffled by their decision around date formatting. https://www.godateformat.com/

I find 15:04:05 on Monday Jan 2nd 2006 a lot easier to remember than all those strftime %-verbs. I certainly don't see how "%B %e, %Y" is any better than "January _2, 2006". %B for what? Bonth name? And %e for "d for day plus one so %e".

1999-12-31T23:59:60 would make it easier to remember what the constants are.

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by mathverse »

srer wrote: post #63
voidfunc wrote: post #7

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When developers who usually make 6 figures of money complain about $90/yr IDE price I just cannot help laugh. Actually it's even better... the price elevators down from $90 -> year2 90 - 20% -> year3 90 - 40%. Over three years that's like $150-$200 total and it will save you so many headaches. But that's a steep price? Are you kidding? Why do developers hate tools that cost money when they save them time and allow th…

Pretty simple for me: I like working with Free and Open software much more than proprietary software. I think it's important for society, and I have more fun that way too! Also the payoff for me has been very good, I can learn emacs once and enjoy using it for the rest of my life for all significant written language tasks on a computer. Perhaps I could be a little more efficient if I were using a jetbrains IDE, but t…

Sure I also like to use emacs since it stood the test of the time but the point was not proprietary is better but unwillingness to support companies that sell products.

If we refuse to buy products then we end up with companies offering just services with vendor lock in. Well...we already sort of ended up in such world.

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by cvak »

philderbeast wrote: post #120
bmitc wrote: post #25

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What's even worse is getting companies to pay for this stuff. Getting a company to buy software to help you do your job is like pulling teeth.

if a company wont pay for an IDE for there developers then I certainly won't be paying for it out of my pocket. if they can't justify paying ~$100 for my ide of choice, then they are costing them selves far more in lost productivity, and that's not my problem.

IDEA is 650€/ year for our company.

Not saying Company should not pay that, but it's not $100

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by pjmlp »

xigoi wrote: post #169
pjmlp wrote: post #160

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You mean the "cross platform" as long it is UNIX?

Windows has WSL. Is there any other major non-Unix platform?

Game consoles, with their Windows based IDEs.

Mainframes and embedded OSes, the latter with much more market share than all desktops together.

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by pjmlp »

the_gipsy wrote: post #164
pjmlp wrote: post #160

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You mean the "cross platform" as long it is UNIX?

Enjoy duplicating your workflows anyway for CI. Or do you make a release by clicking the play button in your IDE?

Someone apparently isn't aware that IDEs can consume build scripts as project definitions.

I don't duplicate anything, my CI/CD pipelines consume MSBuild, Ant, Gradle, Maven, CMake, XCode, package.json, gulp, webpack files just as easy as my IDEs.

Re: Why I Don't Like Golang (2016)

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Post by xigoi »

pjmlp wrote: post #178
xigoi wrote: post #169

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Windows has WSL. Is there any other major non-Unix platform?

Game consoles, with their Windows based IDEs. Mainframes and embedded OSes, the latter with much more market share than all desktops together.

Are you programming on a game console???
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