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Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by wly_cdgr »

burlesona wrote: post #124
wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

"VSCode for all the normies" ... feels weird. Maybe it's true. But I feel like VSCode rose 1:1 with Typescript, and I kind of resent it because I associate it with script kiddies around me cargo-culting React in places it isn't needed and writing thousands of lines of overcomplicated javascript to "manage state" on pages that don't even need to have any. It's also noticeably slower than Sublime, which makes switching…

I am sorry if I hit a nerve, I was just riffing for kicks based on my own limited experience and the fact that I haven't had any coffee yet

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by dustinmoris »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #7

“Sunsetting” an open source project seems… unfitting? Hand it off to the community, look for new maintainers, donate it to the Apache Retirement Home for Veteran Projects, sure. But saying that you’ve decided to “sunset” or “archive” it, telling users to plan for their migration, seems counter to the notion that open source software forms part of a commons - something that Github, of all companies, should understand.

> something that Github, of all companies, should understand

It’s not GitHub anymore though. It’s Microsoft and Microsoft must advance the Visual Studio brand.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by throwaway413 »

tinco wrote: post #98
wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

I use VSCode because its Vim plugin is better than that of Sublime. If/when Sublime has caught up, I'd happily go back to it for that sweet performance and uncluttered UI. So am I a normie, a corpo-hipster or a furry wizard?

Hermione Granger - muggle born with vested corporate interest

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by joshstrange »

goodoldneon wrote: post #162
joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

You're deploying via VS Code? If so, that's a weird pattern. I've been using VS Code for years to write JavaScript/TypeScript, Python, Go, Terraform, and CSS. My settings file is 60 lines, 42 of which are "for file extension X use autoformatter Y" configs. When I first switched to VS Code I was frustrated trying to make it conform to random expectations I had. Eventually I learned that it's easier to embrace VS Code'…

> You're deploying via VS Code? If so, that's a weird pattern.

I don't think it's a weird pattern, maybe a slightly legacy one but not out of the ordinary. I've seen this pattern used at multiple places (not implement by me). It makes sense if you have special use-cases where you need to use physical hardware and/or a local stack is too heavy or complicated to run.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by alpaca128 »

tinco wrote: post #98
wly_cdgr wrote: post #73

Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it

I use VSCode because its Vim plugin is better than that of Sublime. If/when Sublime has caught up, I'd happily go back to it for that sweet performance and uncluttered UI. So am I a normie, a corpo-hipster or a furry wizard?

> its Vim plugin is better than that of Sublime

I'm pretty sure Sublime has a plugin that uses an actual NeoVim instance to process all inputs with all your configuration. Never tried it, I don't use Sublime. But I can confirm the feature works well in Firefox via FireNvim.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by brundolf »

joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

Can't stand IDEA if there's a decent VSCode plugin for the language I'm working with (which there generally is). It's way too sluggish, I avoid it as much as possible

I used it for a year or so around 2015. It was a huge improvement over Eclipse, which is what I'd been using since this was at a Java shop, but even then I knew it was sluggish. I just assumed back then that you couldn't have IDE features without sluggishness. Now I know better

(To be clear I have no idea how VSCode's Java experience, specifically, compares with IDEA these days; I haven't written Java since 2015)

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by marricks »

jstx1 wrote: post #2

It's what kickstarted Electron which eventually gave us VSCode, Slack, and lots of HN comments about memory usage. It also had the sweetest default theme of any code editor. RIP.

Also all have the same magnitude of latency and lag. At least you know if one of them bugs you, they all will.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by trinsic2 »

Narann wrote: post #117

I use Atom for static Markdown blogging only. The reason is I customized Atom for this specific task and nothing more. Atom is mostly an advanced text editor than an IDE. I have Hunspell in both English and french, it detect word similarity and provide auto completion for this, it has some typewriter extension, etc. I'm reluctant to use VSCode because of M$ pushing for its tooling, but it looks like I will have no ch…

I'm in the same boat and look for a configurable text editor. I have Sublime, but haven't used it much, until now.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by IncRnd »

dkarl wrote: post #28
red_phone wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure the term has ever been applied to Microsoft’s own products…

They embrace, extend, and extinguish products they don't make money on, so that people are forced to use products that they do make money on.

Microsoft doesn't make money from VS Code. Atom was retired due to a lack of activity with the project. I've never even seen anyone use Atom, since the time it was released 8 years ago.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by drcongo »

acwan93 wrote: post #39
mproud wrote: post #4

What recommendations do you all have for alternatives?

I really wanted to use Coda (now Nova [1]) from Panic, but I kept coming back to VSCode. VSCode seems to be the path of least resistance. I think I’ll try it again after seeing the news about Atom. [1]: https://nova.app/

I bought and really wanted to love Nova, but I just didn't. It's so clunky compared to ST.
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