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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Yes but only one external display plus the build in display.

Does the 13" MBP support multiple displays? Sorry- I'm horrible at reading Apple Specs and inferring the capabilities

just the one external screen (two screens total including internal).

https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/

People have gotten round it by connecting additional screens using display link adapters.

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All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

I like the XPS 13 line myself. The 93xx line lasted all night when I forgot to shut the lid one evening (9+ hours) with Fedora (after running `powertop` and doing its tweaks).

But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware (the trackpad, touchbar, keyboard, mouse, etc. are all inferior IMO), so maybe you're looking for something different there.

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It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

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Apple's whole thing is simplicity/"just works". Modular designs are pretty much the opposite of that. They've been proven right too. The vast majority of people don't want to slot in their own parts.

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Apple’s key advantage here, though, is one Microsoft would never voluntarily embrace: abandoning x86-64 in favor of ARM. Apple is willing to force its partners and customers to make the switch or get left behind. Microsoft would never do that, so Windows on ARM will presumably languish in application support indefinitely.

x86 is dead, full of security issues and is energy-intensive smartphones, even embedded devices, including cars nowadays are all on ARM, servers are building momentum too, not because it is shiny, but because of tangible gains on many aspects > Apple is willing to force its partners and customers to make the switch or get left behind. That's not true at all, the chip doesn't matter when you sell software, hardware an…

> That's not true at all, the chip doesn't matter when you sell software, hardware and services

Yes they do, I am typing this in a fully functional 10+ year old Thinkpad running Linux and getting updates to software.

I know people with with Apple Laptops that they can no longer get security updates due to the chip change. There only option is to install another OS to keep on that hardware.

But they chose to pay for a brand new model instead of leaving their OS of choice.

So, Apple is able to pull these people along raking in the doe because they are willing to send 1500+ USD to Apple every few years.

Good for Apple, PT Barnum comes to mind with Apple.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

This. I hate MacOS with a passion.

Everything about it or the developer experience? I use a VM for my dev work and then run the rest (which pretty much means "a browser", these days) in MacOS. Which works perfectly.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Where is the new Mac Pro? Where is the upgrade to the XDR Display? Where is the M2 Mac Mini? What a shit show.

For a very long time, the M2 has been expected to launch before an updated Mac Pro - which might still be using an M1 variant, and should be out by the end of the year.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Living in a bubble is always nice though. How many laptops are even used as laptops? Most of the world is not using Apple laptops and is not going to. The Facebook community around you might, but that's not the entire world. The "nobody" in your list still accounts for what, 90% of the laptop buyers? Even more? Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surp…

> Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there. Games? the biggest market is the Mobile market, Desktop market is shrinking year after year, it'll become a niche very soon Ever heard of Genshin Impact? https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-f... And please learn to pro…

Games, yes, games. We're talking about laptops here, not mobile phones. PC gaming industry is huge and continues to be (even in the future iterations you talk about).

When it comes to projections, the ~1300€ laptops are not going to be the ones taking over the world. Not in any realistic projection, unless the inflation goes to Turkey level.

Every people makes deliberate choice, don't discount someone's choice not being deliberate just because it does not align to yours. I don't pick a laptop for my own self, but a desktop - since I don't need the mobility when I need grunt. There M2 brings me nothing so far.

Your granny might make a more thoughtful choice than you do. She might buy a tool for herself while you're fancying over something shiny. That's not deliberate.

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It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

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Ease up bronco. You can buy a https://frame.work/ if modular upgrades are important to you.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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How do you provide fanless laptop, and extended battery life if you don't care about maximizing performance while maintaining ultra low power usage? That is why nobody buys windows based laptops anymore and the macbook air is the best selling laptop you don't need apple marketing team to see how people are fed-up with hot windows laptops and their noisy fans (and blind btw, pun intended or maybe not lol)

> fanless laptop See also: "how do you provide ever thinner laptops?" The reason you're so sensitive to fans is because Apple's attention to cooling goes far, far, beyond a joke. Modern processors will throttle at their maximum temperature (typically 100C for CPUs). Apple's approach has always been to depend on that as a cooling solution. People have improved the cooling on the M1 to something in the ballpark of the…

> If your workloads don't require extended periods of compute, then the fanless Apples can't be beat. Claiming that the M1 beats x86 laptops across the board is, well, "very uninformed " to say it kindly.

OK, but Apple also makes the MBP line with active cooling too?

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

Quick Google search indicates Windows still holds a 74% market share. Apple has a long way to go before they are really crunching on Windows in the general market. Hardware superiority does not guarantee success, for many people what they are already comfortable with is fine.

> Windows still holds a 74% market share

Note that is for desktop PCs: many people don’t own a PC/laptop so the market share is far far lower than that, especially outside of rich countries. Microsoft is now primarily just business software?

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