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Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by black_puppydog »

eproxus wrote: post #146
iamjbn wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anonymous payment is a good idea. Do you use any other service that supports anonymous payments?

Mullvad would be one of the prime examples here: > Which payment methods do you accept? > We accept cash, Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, Monero, bank wire, credit card, PayPal, Swish, Giropay, Eps transfer, Bancontact, iDEAL, and Przelewy24. With credit card and PayPal, you have the option to set up a monthly recurring subscription. > Can I really pay with cash? > You bet, and please! Stay anonymous all the way. Just put you…

Posteo [1] also allows cash. But I'd say there that makes more sense than with Mullvad, because as a VPN provider they'll very likely know your IP address during operation, while for posteo you could at least access through tor (which doesn't make sense for Mullvad)

[1]: https://posteo.de/en/help/how-do-i-add-credit-to-my-account#...

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by ShowalkKama »

>Orion comes with state-of-the-art ad and tracker blocking enabled by default, unlike any other browser in existence.

>A fresh install of Orion blocks both ads and trackers on websites, something no other browser does.

I'd avoid it just for this false advertising. There is no way they don't know about brave or librewolf.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by black_puppydog »

freediver wrote: post #96
nine_k wrote: post #78

> But it costs us about $1 to process 80 searches. > At $10/month, the price does not even cover our cost for average use, and we are basically betting that average use will go down a bit with time because during beta people may be searching more than normal Oh. I'd say that if I switched to Kagi as to the main search engine, I would increase the number of searches I make. And I definitely do many dozens a day. Their…

> Their reported beta-testers usage is 30 / day. At their current expense level, that would be $116.25 / mo. 30 searches/day comes to around $11/mo. We expect the quantity of usage will drop with time because a) we make a better product that helps you find stuff more quickly (so quality of usage goes up) b) lot of users are still searching more then normal because of novelty of product, testing etc. Of course we coul…

I am one of the "more than 30 searches per day" beta users.

I just saw this looked at the 10$/mo price tag, gulped, then considered just how much better it makes my life compared to the google results, and paid up.

I wish the team best of luck and want to thank you for already having saved me tons of time and nerves!

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by ls15 »

freediver wrote: post #165
ls15 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany there is a payment provider (viacash) that allows customers to pay in cash at selected retailers. You get a code, it gets scanned in the supermarket, you pay without any requirement for identification and get a confirmation. Big fan of that, but unfortunately only few websites are using it yet.

How would automatic recurring payments be handled with this?

They aren't. It is meant for prepaid models, which is kind of a feature for me.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by freediver »

ls15 wrote: post #174
freediver wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would automatic recurring payments be handled with this?

They aren't. It is meant for prepaid models, which is kind of a feature for me.

Oh OK. Changing model to pay per use is something we thought of but most people told us they would feel anxiety to search and preferred a fixed monthly fee. We are continuing to have an open discussion about this in Discord, our site and here on HN so lets see if we figure it out.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by ls15 »

freediver wrote: post #175
ls15 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't. It is meant for prepaid models, which is kind of a feature for me.

Oh OK. Changing model to pay per use is something we thought of but most people told us they would feel anxiety to search and preferred a fixed monthly fee. We are continuing to have an open discussion about this in Discord, our site and here on HN so lets see if we figure it out.

posteo.de still has a fixed monthly fee with this model. They just limit the account if the credit is used up.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by freediver »

ls15 wrote: post #176
freediver wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh OK. Changing model to pay per use is something we thought of but most people told us they would feel anxiety to search and preferred a fixed monthly fee. We are continuing to have an open discussion about this in Discord, our site and here on HN so lets see if we figure it out.

posteo.de still has a fixed monthly fee with this model. They just limit the account if the credit is used up.

Ok so a way to top off account with a one time payment may be a good idea.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by BoneZone »

Love what I see from Kagi search so far. Tried out Orion, but unfortunately the Bitwarden Password manager extension is pretty much unusable for both the chrome and firefox extensions. It locks the vault after every page load and the biometrics requests in MacOS take considerable longer than with chrome/firefox.

It won't be my daily driver, but I will check back when extension support is more mature.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by ls15 »

freediver wrote: post #177
ls15 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

posteo.de still has a fixed monthly fee with this model. They just limit the account if the credit is used up.

Ok so a way to top off account with a one time payment may be a good idea.

Thank you for considering it
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