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EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications
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#172Isn't this an insanely stupid idea? Doesn't it open the door to a new type of ransomware - pay up, or we'll flood your devices with CSAM and submit a tip about it?
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#173It’ll get worse when it becomes obvious that on device scanning is unenforceable without control of the device. Next up will be a ban on unsigned apps and independent app stores and/or an outright ban on encryption.
The EU is about to become as bad as China or perhaps even worse if this stuff goes forward.
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#174I don't think this proposal is quite enough, we can do better to protect the children. The homes of the people who champion this proposal should be thoroughly searched for child abuse materials every week . Naturally, their personal electronic devices should be taken for analysis. I understand this may cause them some inconvenience, but think of the children!
Had me going at the first half.
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#175The title page states:
> Text with EEA relevance
So it's not only EU, but basically whole Europe.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's funny because in this regard, The Netherlands is actually trying to do better and change the laws to allow mutually consenting teens to do this stuff (still tentative) and punish blackmail, prostitution (edit: of minors), minor-adult sexual interaction etc. Our general mentality also seems to be a lot more lax and supportive of kids being victims of their own mistakes rather than going "yeah, that's illegal, let…
It probably helps that we were complaining about and even making fun of[0] our government for using child pornography as an excuse for pushing through draconian populist laws a decade ago already. We may just happen to have a little head-start here basically. Edit: for the non-Dutch, the link goes to an article by the Dutch equivalent of The Onion and the headline says "Opstelten [our minister of Security and Justice…
The Netherlands seems great as an outsider. I've been to Amsterdam, which was too touristy for me, but still beautiful. And we took a train to Utrecht and the surrounding areas which was great. Even struck up a conversation with a group of (local) software developers on the train.
Even with the lockdown protest issues it seems like it should be on the shortlist if you want to move to the EU as an American.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, here's what will really happen: 5:30am, loud knock at the door. You open the door a crack to see who it is. Cops bust in. You're immediately handcuffed and sat outside. Cops take anything with a screen, usb plug, etc. All your media. All your computers. All your external hard drives. Every one of these devices will be imaged, and archived prior to being searched. The data will be kept for years, to pro…
That won’t happen here but sure, US type of police overreach makes a better soundbite with horribly vague proposals like this. And people should be scared so I guess it’s good; maybe they will protest (probably not though because the children the children).
Here where? This is standard procedure in e.g. Germany based on press reports and articles written by lawyers.
I don’t think it’s better in other European countries.
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#178It's scary, because CSAM (child sexual abuse material) is very, very broad, and quite vague in its definition¹. My three year old son stayed with my parents for a week, and he was being taught to swim in their swimming pool. Of course, I get sent pictures and clips of his progress by a proud grandma, and of course, him being a toddler, he felt swimming trunks to be completely optional (and of course, they are at his…
> I get sent pictures and clips of his progress Those pictures will be seen by you and grandma, but also maybe by employees of whoever you use to backup the pictures, whatever security services have a need to view the images, whichever police forensics department may need to look through your or grandmas phone if it were to be confiscated, etc. Those employees need a good work environment, and can't be expected to lo…
I'm sorry. The chance of someone needing to look at these pictures should be near 0. The backup company doesn't need to look at them. They should actually be end-to-end encrypted so that only me and grandma can see.
In exceptional cases the police may need to see them. But even in that case there is nothing wrong with these pictures. Pictures of gore and literal shits are legal and while I agree that it can make this job very taxing. But a child swimming naked is not the problem here.
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#179As with the UK internet filters, the next step will be "Oh, so we have all this infrastructure already, we should extend it to other forms of illegal content, like piracy, DRM circumvention, etc"
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#180When all you have is We Need More Surveillance, everything looks like Because Terrorism / CSAM.