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Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by donatj »

Beltalowda wrote: post #162
donatj wrote: post #142

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"Fix" what? That the medium or style they choses to express themselves doesn't work well for you? Well, tough; that's your problem, not his. They're not your bitch. The entitlement...

> That the medium or style he choses to express himself doesn't work well for you

It doesn't work well for thousands of people, which is why there are always complaints.

You can say the exact same things about his post asking them to fix the controller. Oh "the entitlement" and "that's his problem, not the controller manufacturers". We're asking him to fix his posts. He's asking them to fix the controller.

When something is suboptimal, you're well within your rights to complain about it. Posting long rants as Twitter threads is suboptimal for the consumers of said threads, just as a controller you can't turn off is suboptimal for the consumer of the controller.

Same same and fair game.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by smilespray »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #152
andreareina wrote: post #145

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It's a book actually: The Design of Everyday Things

That book, IMNSHO, should be required reading for anyone that designs anything to be used by anyone.

Last week, I bought ten copies of the book for everyone in our team — regardless of role.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by criddell »

Nanite wrote: post #4

Examples lying around in my house: Bathroom scale: lovely it powers up when you tap it, but eats up 2 button cells a year for a few dozen uses a year Kitchen scales, bit more use, at least once a day but again 2 button cells a year electronic caliper: Same, eats up 1 button cell a year, just sitting in my toolbox Strangely enough none of our kids toys with batteries seem to suffer from this problem How much extra cos…

Things that sit for much of the year I tend to remove the batteries when possible because I assume the batteries will leak.

It might not be true, but it feels like battery quality has gone downhill recently (especially AA and AAA). I had very few leaks from the late 90's to about 2015. Since then, a lot more.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by jsjohnst »

atoav wrote: post #2

Sometimes you don't want that actually. For example if the reason that device has an battery is a RTC (Realtime Clock) and it uses it to keep track of time. Or with things where battery life is a much smaller issue than forgetting to turn the thing on (e.g. smoke detectors). Or with things that draw unspeakably low amounts of current and where such switches would be hard to implement (e.g. digital wrist watches). Oth…

> Or with things where battery life is a much smaller issue than forgetting to turn the thing on (e.g. smoke detectors).

What an odd example to pick.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by _Microft »

donatj wrote: post #142
icelancer wrote: post #57

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Reset the counter. https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1135439789090574338

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> Not to humblebrag or anything, but my favorite part of getting posted on hackernews or reddit is that EVERY SINGLE TIME there's one highly-ranked reply that's "jesus man, this could have been a blog post! why make 20 tweets when you can make one blog post?"

> CAUSE I CAN'T MAKE A BLOG POST, GOD DAMN IT.

I have ADHD. I have bad ADHD that is being treated, and the treatment is NOT WORKING TERRIBLY WELL. I cannot focus on writing blog posts. it will not happen.,

https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1066547904532242437

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by Beltalowda »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #154
unlog wrote: post #52

I was thinking today if I can attach a switch on/off to my laptop battery to not wear it when I'm almost all the time on the desktop plugged in..

I thought it was better to keep it 100% charged anyway?

True for some older battery types, but not with Li-ion batteries; long story short, keeping the charge between ~30-80% is best for longevity.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by corderop »

When I first read the title I thought about security reasons. I think this problem is more related on how the products are designed. Why does a controller need to be always looking to connections? For wearables, this could be ok, but not for a gadget that I'm going to leave in a drawer once I finish playing.

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by gswdh »

smilespray wrote: post #172
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That book, IMNSHO, should be required reading for anyone that designs anything to be used by anyone.

Last week, I bought ten copies of the book for everyone in our team — regardless of role.

Surely, they only need one each?

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by wildmanx »

exmadscientist wrote: post #3

(Background: I work in product design/new product development, and conceivably might have designed this thing! If any of those were still designed in the Western world. Which they aren't. I have designed some stuff like it, though!) Oh, great, this debate again! I shall use this post as ammunition next time I am arguing with our stupid design team about why we need an off switch on the stupid product we are designing…

> (Our design team will never listen. This is because they, one, don't listen to anyone ever; and two, never use the products they design. Oh, sure, there might be a user study or two. But they never actually have to live with or work with the damn things.)

If you don't mind me asking .. if it's that bad, why do you still work there? Is there a shortage in suitable jobs? (Honest question..)

Re: Everything with a battery should have an off switch

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Post by neoberg »

onion2k wrote: post #77
can16358p wrote: post #63

While I get the motivation, I'd rather have my Apple devices which have some economic value to be findable using Find My, which can't function with a physical "hard" off switch. I'd rather have Bluetooth use infinitesimal amount of my iPhone/Macbook battery than them being lost/stolen which could be potentially tracked when off with "soft off". But besides some use cases like this, I agree with the post.

I'd rather have my Apple devices which have some economic value to be findable using Find My, which can't function with a physical "hard" off switch. Why not? I mean obviously they wouldn't be findable if they were off, but that's a feature. Apple could add a physical switch and leave everything else the same . Your devices would function as they do now in "On" mode, but you'd also be able to turn the off properly. I…

So when it's stolen a thief can just switch it off?
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