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Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by cancelkooks » Wed, May 04, 2022, 4:40 AM UTC

randomblast wrote: post #68

defen wrote: post #47

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The author says "We found no support for policies targeting particular breeds" [1] which is completely absurd even if you postulate that their study's results were even stronger than they are. Imagine that their study found zero correlation between breeds and behavior. Even if that were the case, the outcomes of that behavior are wildly different. Some breeds will bite you and not even break skin. Some breeds will bi…

No. I wouldn't let a 6 year old play unsupervised with any dog. That would be incredibly irresponsible, and has lead to innumerable unnecessary child & dog deaths. Would you leave a 6 year old unsupervised with a hungry rat? No - what a stupid question. A chihuahua can cause the same degree of injury (life-altering). Is there a significant difference in behaviour between a pitbull and a chihuahua? No - this study con…

Hey it’s r/pitbulls trying to convince you that your kid’s face getting bitten off is totally your fault. Should have supervised better.

Chihuahua: face still attached.

Pitbull: lack of face.

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by User23 » Wed, May 04, 2022, 5:35 AM UTC

barry-cotter wrote: post #143

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Many, if not most, human populations spent the majority of their existence with some kind of arranged marriage system. I wouldn't say "bred like dogs" because it's insulting, but human mating and procreation isn't remotely random. This is true even in societies that no longer practice arranged marriages.

> Many, if not most, human populations spent the majority of their existence with some kind of arranged marriage system. We’re only confident agriculture has existed for ~5,000 years. Hunter gatherers don’t have the kinds of complex societies that can do organized coercion in a sustained way over generations. Even if you restrict yourself to post agriculture arranged marriage is far from universal and there’s no evid…

> Hunter gatherers don’t have the kinds of complex societies that can do organized coercion in a sustained way over generations

Extrapolating from the few extant hunter gatherer tribes that never achieved complex civilization to the tribes that invented agriculture is obviously wildly erroneous.

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by take_it_not » Wed, May 04, 2022, 6:15 AM UTC

livinglist wrote: post #169

echelon wrote: post #34

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This study/paper is ridiculous. Anecdotal, but I've had lots of dogs growing up. We have five right now. This does not reflect the reality I know. Shiba inu act like cats and prefer to spend time away from their person. They frequently get kicked out of dog parks for not being friendly to other dogs. It's documented and well-studied. They're not at all like other dogs. Corgis are protective, commandeering, and can be…

I have an Akita and also my previous one was also an Akita, and I bring my dogs to dog parks pretty frequently, I also have a group of people who also have Akita, and my observation is that Akita tends to be loyal but lazy af… they literally been lying on the ground all days long, and not that interested in toys too…

I have an Akita as well! mine is not active at all too… I really think it’s in their DNA…

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by ranguna » Wed, May 04, 2022, 6:59 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #34

ShockTohp wrote: post #7

From the source: "The team found that some traits were more common in certain breeds. For example, compared with a random dog, German shepherds were more easily directed; beagles, not so much. And the authors’ genetic studies revealed that mixed-breed dogs with a particular ancestry were more likely to act in specific ways. Mutts with St Bernard ancestry, for instance, were more affectionate, whereas mutts descended…

This study/paper is ridiculous. Anecdotal, but I've had lots of dogs growing up. We have five right now. This does not reflect the reality I know. Shiba inu act like cats and prefer to spend time away from their person. They frequently get kicked out of dog parks for not being friendly to other dogs. It's documented and well-studied. They're not at all like other dogs. Corgis are protective, commandeering, and can be…

It's good that you have personalised experience with the topic but don't let that cloud you judgement around the study. 5 samples is not a good base to conclude anything.

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by defen » Wed, May 04, 2022, 7:00 AM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #135

defen wrote: post #47

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The author says "We found no support for policies targeting particular breeds" [1] which is completely absurd even if you postulate that their study's results were even stronger than they are. Imagine that their study found zero correlation between breeds and behavior. Even if that were the case, the outcomes of that behavior are wildly different. Some breeds will bite you and not even break skin. Some breeds will bi…

"Is there anyone here who would let their 6 year old child play, unsupervised, with a random pit bull? How about a random chihuahua?" Neither - they shouldn't be unsupervised with "random" dogs.

That's why I presented a hypothetical question. It's like answering the trolley problem with "make laws against tying people to railroad tracks". Hypothetically speaking if you had to leave your kid with one or the other, which would you choose? Or would you say "doesn't matter"?

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by defen » Wed, May 04, 2022, 7:01 AM UTC

etempleton wrote: post #155

defen wrote: post #47

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The author says "We found no support for policies targeting particular breeds" [1] which is completely absurd even if you postulate that their study's results were even stronger than they are. Imagine that their study found zero correlation between breeds and behavior. Even if that were the case, the outcomes of that behavior are wildly different. Some breeds will bite you and not even break skin. Some breeds will bi…

Never leave a child alone with any unknown dog. Or really any dog known or not. Children have the bad habit of getting in dogs faces, pulling their ears, etc and don’t always understand a dogs warninings. Yes, a bigger, stronger dog has the potential for more damage if it becomes aggressive. Funny you use chihuahua as a counter example, because their reputation is for aggression. A chihuahua is less dangerous because…

So you agree that chihuahuas are less dangerous. That's my entire point.

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by livinglist » Wed, May 04, 2022, 7:35 AM UTC

livinglist wrote: post #169

echelon wrote: post #34

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This study/paper is ridiculous. Anecdotal, but I've had lots of dogs growing up. We have five right now. This does not reflect the reality I know. Shiba inu act like cats and prefer to spend time away from their person. They frequently get kicked out of dog parks for not being friendly to other dogs. It's documented and well-studied. They're not at all like other dogs. Corgis are protective, commandeering, and can be…

I have an Akita and also my previous one was also an Akita, and I bring my dogs to dog parks pretty frequently, I also have a group of people who also have Akita, and my observation is that Akita tends to be loyal but lazy af… they literally been lying on the ground all days long, and not that interested in toys too…

lol yah I really don’t know why though, it’s such an comparison between Akita and shiba…

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by sinuhe69 » Wed, May 04, 2022, 8:11 AM UTC

For study like that, its extremely important to design and evaluate the questionnaires carefully because people’s descriptions of temperament can vary significantly. Besides, like any society, dogs in a household also affect each other, thus not taking that into consideration can alter the result considerably.

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by take_it_not » Wed, May 04, 2022, 9:19 AM UTC

livinglist wrote: post #169

echelon wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This study/paper is ridiculous. Anecdotal, but I've had lots of dogs growing up. We have five right now. This does not reflect the reality I know. Shiba inu act like cats and prefer to spend time away from their person. They frequently get kicked out of dog parks for not being friendly to other dogs. It's documented and well-studied. They're not at all like other dogs. Corgis are protective, commandeering, and can be…

I have an Akita and also my previous one was also an Akita, and I bring my dogs to dog parks pretty frequently, I also have a group of people who also have Akita, and my observation is that Akita tends to be loyal but lazy af… they literally been lying on the ground all days long, and not that interested in toys too…

they sometimes do be like Australian Shepard though, especially when I bring ‘‘em to parks ..

Re: Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour

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Post by livinglist » Wed, May 04, 2022, 9:22 AM UTC

take_it_not wrote: post #179

livinglist wrote: post #169

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I have an Akita and also my previous one was also an Akita, and I bring my dogs to dog parks pretty frequently, I also have a group of people who also have Akita, and my observation is that Akita tends to be loyal but lazy af… they literally been lying on the ground all days long, and not that interested in toys too…

they sometimes do be like Australian Shepard though, especially when I bring ‘‘em to parks ..

lol I barely seen them like that though… don’t know about that