ISPs can’t find any judges who will block California net neutrality law

Post by kvetching » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 10:48 AM UTC

locallost wrote: post #156

jmyeet wrote: post #46

The whole net neutrality saga just exposed the deep regulatory capture between ISPs and the FCC (the Republican Commissioners at least). Pai's argument for repealing net neutrality was that it wasn't a Federal government concern. That was originally what prompted California to institute these rules. But suddenly it wasn't a state issue either. Weird . The US has some of the most expensive Internet access in the world…

I'm not American, but I ran into this issue while discussing with some people living in the US (foreigners no less) and it's crazy how much they bought into the ISP propaganda. They're not stupid people, but they got convinced that they can't check their email because their neighbour is on Netflix and this is all Netflix's fault. When you hear the same argument repeated in the same way, it's always an indicator that…

Post by Bilal_io » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 10:53 AM UTC

HWR_14 wrote: post #109

wrycoder wrote: post #2

> California's net neutrality law is similar to the federal rules repealed under former FCC Chairman Ajit Pai. California prohibits ISPs from blocking or throttling lawful traffic. It also prohibits requiring fees from websites or online services to deliver or prioritize their traffic to consumers, bans paid data cap exemptions (so-called "zero-rating"), and says that ISPs may not attempt to evade net neutrality prot…

I like T-Mobile's zero-rating solution. Specific classes of data (sub-480p video) would be zero rated for all servers who filled out paperwork, no source-based discrimination. That made sense. Also, kinda obviously, government emergency services (911, weather alerts, etc) being zero-rated just make sense. I don't want zero rating to let FB subsidize plans that allow free access to FB. I think we can find some uses th…

Post by bsenftner » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 11:00 AM UTC

beardedetim wrote: post #170

gameman144 wrote: post #108

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I think that while this is definitely true of opportunistic politicians who will take any advantage they can, I don't this is actually true of most people who actually believe in states' rights as a real principle (as opposed to a politically malleable one). For instance, I have close family members who are strong free-market conservatives (to a pragmatic extent, not anarcho-capitalists or anything) who I consider to…

This has been my experience as well along both sides of the axis. If you're not "Lets Go Brandon" or whatever the equivalent is on the left, you usually are reasonable and have valid opinions. Even more so, we usually share the same ideals just have different ways of getting there. There isn't huge division out there. Just two camps of dicks with most of us in the middle.

Post by Proven » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 11:11 AM UTC

Post by smarx007 » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 11:14 AM UTC

HelloNurse wrote: post #164

locallost wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not American, but I ran into this issue while discussing with some people living in the US (foreigners no less) and it's crazy how much they bought into the ISP propaganda. They're not stupid people, but they got convinced that they can't check their email because their neighbour is on Netflix and this is all Netflix's fault. When you hear the same argument repeated in the same way, it's always an indicator that…

I don't really understand this American mindset because my current bandwidth "problem" is being "forced" to setup a wired Ethernet network because WiFi isn't enough for cheap 5Gbps FTTH. More importantly, I'm used to ISPs wasting their lobbying on not paying for laying out fiber and their trust and goodwill budget on deceitful and greedy pricing, bad customer care and capricious geographic coverage: if nobody trusts…