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Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by burgerbrain »

gcp wrote: post #168
burgerbrain wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, actually I didn't know that. I no longer use firefox, and their scheme honestly makes no sense to me. I am convinced they only adopted it so that Mozilla supporters can shoot down any criticism from people who abandoned it more than a few weeks ago by saying "well your criticism is hardly relevant, we're several version numbers past what you were using now!" Notice several examples of this tactic in this very dis…

I am convinced they only adopted it so that Mozilla supporters can shoot down any criticism from people who abandoned it more than a few weeks ago by saying "well your criticism is hardly relevant, we're several version numbers past what you were using now!" Notice several examples of this tactic in this very discussion... Increasing the version number doesn't fix bugs, but pretty much every time it has been pointed…

2 weeks was obviously a sarcastic exaggeration, I am not asking you where it came from. This is however the first I've heard that 6 weeks is the new version scheme..

"I don't understand the argument here. You're saying Mozilla is rapidly addressing the issues users are complaining about, and that is somehow a bad thing?"

If that was what Mozilla was actually doing, I wouldn't have issues. In practice nothing ever really seems to change.

No, my point is that there seems to be a bizarre attitude among Mozilla supporters that in order to have the "right" to criticize firefox, you have to continue to subject yourself to its abuse.

Well I've had enough abuse. I've given them the benefit of the doubt time and time again for damn near half a decade now. They now need to make a sincere and dramatic effort to win back my trust. And no, "I've changed, I promise I won't hit you anymore baby.." won't do it this time. Fool me once...

I've moved on to greener pastures, but I will continue to point out what shit firefox is until I see that Mozilla finally has recognized what their users have been saying for years, admits that they were wrong, apologizes, and details (no hand-waving) their recovery plan. Mozilla needs to get on the 12 steps program for bad software development and user relations.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by pshirishreddy »

Exactly my thoughts, I have given up on you firefox but even then I try to switch back to you to see if you fixed it, but then again you lost it. I am running it on 64bit Win 7 and I get browser hangs even when I open a new tab.. Fix it before I get too accustomed to other browsers :)

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by kalleboo »

bad_user wrote: post #71
thaumaturgy wrote: post #47

Now that AdBlock Plus is fully functional in Chrome/Chromium, we've been moving all of our clients -- a few hundred individuals and businesses -- off of Firefox. So far, everybody's been a lot happier with that. Firefox is terrible . It's embarrassing. And, I've completely lost interest in arguing over it anymore. The responses from Mozilla, Asa especially, have either been, "We don't think that's a problem", or some…

Firefox is terrible. It's embarrassing. I do have Firefox occasionally choking, which annoys me as hell, but I'm on Firefox 8. I do get frustrated, but criticizing a software package that you get for freaking free, especially one that you ow so much to, with such a harsh tone really is unwarranted. And it really is free in a not-for-profit way. The Awesome bar that the article mentions really saves you from making us…

> which is one reason the Awesome bar will never make it into Chrome.

What does the AwesomeBar do that Chrome's address bar doesn't? Heck the Chrome address bar even does autocomplete of search terms when you have it set to use Bing…

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by pacemkr »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #125
mirkules wrote: post #91

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The responses from Mozilla, Asa especially, have either been, "We don't think that's a problem", or sometimes, "go piss up a rope". I don't think this is very fair to the Mozilla folks. From the few people that I've met (and complained to about Android Firefox) the response has been "why don't you grab the latest version and see if that fixes the problems?" And if it doesn't, then the response is "file a bug." While…

I was referring partly to Mozilla's responses to the reaction from corporate support people over their forced-updates announcements. But, they've also had display bugs around for almost 10 years [1], and they've banned bug submitters over etiquette issues without actually addressing the bug in question [2]. And now for the part that will probably make me really unpopular here: if they fix major issues in an upcoming…

I think I'm one of those people. Performance of Firefox has always been completely unacceptable to me.

When Firefox came out I continued to use the Mozilla browser. (I wonder if anybody remembers that one.) At that point I couldn't understand why people were so excited about Firefox. To me it looked like the Mozilla browser with a new icon, half the features, double the bloat, and half the speed. I distinctly remember that when Firefox came out Mozilla was a much better browser!

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by socillion »

jsolson wrote: post #141
socillion wrote: post #109

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Just to chip in with why I personally refuse to use Chrome: -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 -Occasional Flash problems render the browser utterly useless for several minutes before it asks whether I am interested in continuing what I was doing -Not visiting a tab for a while results in a ridiculous wait for it to load My screen size makes having multiple rows of tabs si…

> -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 Interesting. This is actually one of the big reasons why I prefer Chrome over FF. FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll" while Chrome resizes the tabs to fit. What about Chrome's implementation do you find more unwieldy than Firefox's?

http://i.imgur.com/WwnW8.png - a screenshot of Chrome with 20 tabs open. As you can see, determining what each tab contains is rather hard. I agree that scrolling the tab bar (using mousewheel, the UI buttons for that purpose are utterly useless) in Firefox is extremely unwieldy, so the only time I use it is to get to tabs I have at either end. "List all tabs" is an amazing feature, IMO.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by dbbo »

The _only_ reason I have stuck with Firefox so long is that Vimperator and later Pentadactyl blow all Chromium vim-like addons out of the water. I have finally got so sick of paging issues and unresponsive scripts in Firefox (sometimes to the extent that even the Magic SysRq key could save me) that lately I've been using Chromium + vrome exclusively.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by skrebbel »

colanderman wrote: post #148
socillion wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to chip in with why I personally refuse to use Chrome: -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 -Occasional Flash problems render the browser utterly useless for several minutes before it asks whether I am interested in continuing what I was doing -Not visiting a tab for a while results in a ridiculous wait for it to load My screen size makes having multiple rows of tabs si…

You might like Opera. It handles dozens of tabs beautifully, and you can group tabs into collapsible groups so you can both (a) navigate them and (b) see them all on the screen at once without having to scroll.

And put the tab bar on the left, making keeping an overview of 30+ ungrouped tabs no problemo!

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by socillion »

jbondeson wrote: post #150
jsolson wrote: post #141

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> -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 Interesting. This is actually one of the big reasons why I prefer Chrome over FF. FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll" while Chrome resizes the tabs to fit. What about Chrome's implementation do you find more unwieldy than Firefox's?

Tab Groups. For those of us who do lots of research and like to keep it organized it's a godsend. Right now I have 159 tabs open -- I was curious so I decided to count. If I tried that in Chrome I'm pretty sure it would crash and burn hard, not to mention there would be no ability to keep it organized. I know there are some research workflows that would allow me to do that as well, but I haven't really taken the time…

I'd like to take a moment to recognize how awful the tab groups UI is.

Hmm, new "Tab Groups" button. Wonder what it does!

http://i.imgur.com/x36TA.png

The only way to figure out that UI, including how to exit back to the browser, is through trial and error or Google. At least tabs/tab groups closed in there (seriously, who adds an "x" to an undo changes button that permanently deletes it instead?) go in "recently closed tabs" now!

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by SkyMarshal »

dbbo wrote: post #176

The _only_ reason I have stuck with Firefox so long is that Vimperator and later Pentadactyl blow all Chromium vim-like addons out of the water. I have finally got so sick of paging issues and unresponsive scripts in Firefox (sometimes to the extent that even the Magic SysRq key could save me) that lately I've been using Chromium + vrome exclusively.

Same. Also the Ant Video Downloader is great for getting indie music and remixes from Youtube (and then ripping the audio out of the Flash with Audacity or something).

FF's plugin capabilities are unmatched, hopefully their new Continuous Integration/Deployment model will enable them to iterate quicker on the performance and other issues.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by SkyMarshal »

skrebbel wrote: post #177
colanderman wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might like Opera. It handles dozens of tabs beautifully, and you can group tabs into collapsible groups so you can both (a) navigate them and (b) see them all on the screen at once without having to scroll.

And put the tab bar on the left, making keeping an overview of 30+ ungrouped tabs no problemo!

Or hide tabs and the tab bar altogether and use CTRL-TAB to toggle through them, like ALT-TAB does windows. Screen real-estate galore:

http://i.imgur.com/XuMkx.png

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