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A lot of the rah-rah boosterism of "decentralization" is coming from VCs that saw how much money there is to be made by ignoring laws and regulations for long enough. Airbnb and Uber are the most brazen examples of this. What's left unsaid of course is that the only interest deep-pocketed investors have in dismantling elements of the financial system (MC/Visa dominance, KYC/AML checks, suspicious transactions disclos…

The concept of visa/mastercard was also largely unregulated at the time they launched. Take a look at the history of visa article on wikipeida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Inc.#History Visa was not the first, and other tries to do a credit/charge before them were much worse or limited in scope. This is similar today to what is happening in web3/crypto. If you don't think the ingenuity of humans will get us some…

The Cold Start Problem, by Andrew Chen, devotes a chapter to this as a case study. I don’t recall it covering these negative aspects, which are obviously important to consider. Still a great book for startup growth ideas though.

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A lot of the rah-rah boosterism of "decentralization" is coming from VCs that saw how much money there is to be made by ignoring laws and regulations for long enough. Airbnb and Uber are the most brazen examples of this. What's left unsaid of course is that the only interest deep-pocketed investors have in dismantling elements of the financial system (MC/Visa dominance, KYC/AML checks, suspicious transactions disclos…

I think this is the expected cycle of business long term. 1. Entrepreneur notices an opportunity to avoid overzealous regulations and provide better value to customers 2. Everyone wants a piece of the action, bad actors start to move in and updated regulation is required 3. New regulations get out of hand and start to become extremely costly to comply with (see banks) 4. New entrepreneur comes along with a novel way…

I cannot think of a single previous business cycle that was driven by this dynamic. Can you give some historical examples? This strategy seems unique to the most recent generation of capitalists (sharing economy, crypto stuff, etc).

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“Overzealous regulation” = regulation they prevents me as an “entrepreneur” from profiting off of unsophisticated people, in this example.

Who determines what qualifies as “unsophisticated”. This is where the overzealousness creeps in. Regulators always push for more regulations.

Regulators discover and patch regulatory gaps. One might say that’s doing their job, versus overzealousness.

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At least at this point in time, if you control all of the on/off-ramps, you can very effectively make any cryptocurrency non-viable as money.

I think it could slow adoption, but I've been primarily buying offline. Soon I'll have a lightning node too--improving my BTC privacy. Defi exchanges are the next major advancement to government resistance as well. This space would rapidly mature under government regulating away self custody.

If all of that ends up working out, and considering no other restrictions are put in place: How are people going to pay their taxes?

Being the exclusive currency accepted for tax payment is an important part of what makes fiat currencies money.

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Crypto fans want deregulated finance. Crypto fans get mad when deregulated finance is comically unfair. You really can’t make this up. Embrace this. It’s exactly what crypto is all about.

Trading (around crypto) made me realize that systems will always get twisted in all possible ways as long as some group can find a way to benefit. The finance world is filled with subsystems with different information sources and interest. This led to recurrent patterns and more subtle ideas. You cannot know this unless you are in these groups, or pay to be taught a few or wait years to discover it. It's always a blend of opposing forces of various nature. It's probably a very general principle (society works like that too)

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Is this insider trading according to the law? Nonpublic information isn't being used to trade public stocks; it's being used to trade assets that don't appear to be regulated securities.

Because of this, there aren't laws for it as far as I know, only internal ethics docs. Might be more requirements for public companies, but still not the same as insider trading.

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Jan 3rd is Proof-of-Reserves day, and all of the larger actors have ignored it for far too long. I believe Kraken has committed to it now, which is great. Also: obligatory "not your keys, not your coins" and "don't keep your coins on an exchange".

> Also: obligatory "not your keys, not your coins" and "don't keep your coins on an exchange". Unless lobbying can still stop it the EU parlement will outlaw self hosted wallets. Only coins on exchanges will be allowed.

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Um, being an accredited investor gives you exposure to investments that aren’t transparent. You don’t get the same access to financial statements as with public companies. If you want more transparent investments then you should be advocating for reforms that will encourage companies to go public sooner. This would be reversing the trend in recent years where companies stay private longer, which allows them to not di…

Accredited investor rules was an example of not having a even playing field. The market is not open to everyone which contributes to unfair outcomes. I'd welcome reforms to transparency as well there, as lack of transparency also contributes to unfair outcomes (the company can exploit investors).

> Accredited investor rules was an example of not having a even playing field.

1. Having an income that qualifies you as an accredited investor doesn't mean that you will have access to higher quality investments.

2. Even if you don't qualify as an accredited investor, you probably still have access to the same set of investments that a capital-poor accredited investor has access to. As an accredited investor, I've never had access to an investment opportunity which I couldn't have also accessed without being an accredited investor. No one checks, and the "opportunities" are mostly not great anyways unless you have a lot of capital and connections.

The operative things that unlock unfair investment opportunities are 1. one's professional network (or family), and 2. access to large amounts of capital.

You can counter this assertion by providing a list of investments which are open to all accredited investors, do not require significant amounts of capital, and which have higher expected return with lower risk than investments that are available to non-accredited investors.

The common misconception that becoming an accredited investor suddenly gives you access to high quality investments with super high returns for low risk is one of the best justifications I've ever seen for keeping the rule in place... which is particularly funny because I'm not even an avid fan of the accredited investor rule.

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I think Coinbase does fractional banking, I don't have any proof so not completely sure but you can judge yourself, this happened a few months ago: - nuCypher just randomly started going up on Binance - the price was still low on coinbase - the normal thing to do was to withdraw from coinbase and sell on binance "Oops withdrawal of nucypher is temporarily locked", it stayed locked for 8 hours, all the crypto subs on…

Jan 3rd is Proof-of-Reserves day, and all of the larger actors have ignored it for far too long. I believe Kraken has committed to it now, which is great. Also: obligatory "not your keys, not your coins" and "don't keep your coins on an exchange".

Kraken is the least shitty of the actors in the space.
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