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Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#171

I always find it weird when a charity or non-profit publically announces that they stop accepting certain forms of donations due to ideological reasons. It's a signal that the organization isn't particularly starving for donations. If you were planning to donate to Wikipedia any sum less than $130,100.94, remember that 70% of Wikipedians consider such donations to have no impact at all. So if you were about to donate…

> publically announces

That’s how RfCs work—they’re public by nature, so that people can comment. It’s hardly feasible not to then promulgate the outcome.

> they stop accepting certain forms of donations

They haven’t. This is a proposal through an RfC. The foundation may or may not accept it.

> organization isn't particularly starving for donations

Well it isn’t, so that’s a good thing. People should stop donating to the foundation for a while. Hopefully the bureaucracy will be slashed.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#172

I always find it weird when a charity or non-profit publically announces that they stop accepting certain forms of donations due to ideological reasons. It's a signal that the organization isn't particularly starving for donations. If you were planning to donate to Wikipedia any sum less than $130,100.94, remember that 70% of Wikipedians consider such donations to have no impact at all. So if you were about to donate…

> publically announces That’s how RfCs work—they’re public by nature, so that people can comment. It’s hardly feasible not to then promulgate the outcome. > they stop accepting certain forms of donations They haven’t. This is a proposal through an RfC. The foundation may or may not accept it. > organization isn't particularly starving for donations Well it isn’t, so that’s a good thing. People should stop donating to…

Thanks for the clarifications. I misread the title and assumed that the RFC had been passed.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#173

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> If I murder a drug dealer, steal his briefcase stuffed with 100-dollar bills, and eventually donate some of that money to you in USD, you will happily accept it "in good faith" Yes, if you don't tell me you did the murdering I would accept the money. Your actions are on your conscience. > But if I work hard as a nurse, exchange some of my hard-earned savings into Ether, and donate it to you, you will refuse because…

> I have moral responsibility for my actions. Due to the way a blockchain works, I can't accept or withdraw your Ethereum donation without contributing to the blockchain with a transaction fee. I can't fault you for putting it there, that is a matter for your conscience, but I can fault myself for accepting it. Are you hypothesizing that the net amount of transaction fees paid on the Ethereum network will be higher i…

I'm not looking at outcomes, I'm looking at actions, my actions to be specific. What you do is up to you. In the first scenario I'm contributing to a bad thing, in the next I'm not. It really is as simple as that.

There is one thing I have control over in this life, and that is what I choose to do. Consequently, that is also what is what I opt to judge.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#174

I always find it weird when a charity or non-profit publically announces that they stop accepting certain forms of donations due to ideological reasons. It's a signal that the organization isn't particularly starving for donations. If you were planning to donate to Wikipedia any sum less than $130,100.94, remember that 70% of Wikipedians consider such donations to have no impact at all. So if you were about to donate…

> It's a signal that the organization isn't particularly starving for donations.

That's not a conclusion that came to my mind. Despite all the hype, Bitcoin is still a niche payment system and basically everyone can use a more established payment method instead.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#175

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> publically announces That’s how RfCs work—they’re public by nature, so that people can comment. It’s hardly feasible not to then promulgate the outcome. > they stop accepting certain forms of donations They haven’t. This is a proposal through an RfC. The foundation may or may not accept it. > organization isn't particularly starving for donations Well it isn’t, so that’s a good thing. People should stop donating to…

Thanks for the clarifications. I misread the title and assumed that the RFC had been passed.

The RfC is passed but the effect of that is to make a request. Imagine you and I were to form a committee to discuss, e.g., landscaping in municipal gardens: we might pass a motion to suggest planting different flowers, but that would amount only to a request to the gardeners/the competent authority.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#176

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> I have moral responsibility for my actions. Due to the way a blockchain works, I can't accept or withdraw your Ethereum donation without contributing to the blockchain with a transaction fee. I can't fault you for putting it there, that is a matter for your conscience, but I can fault myself for accepting it. Are you hypothesizing that the net amount of transaction fees paid on the Ethereum network will be higher i…

I'm not looking at outcomes, I'm looking at actions, my actions to be specific. What you do is up to you. In the first scenario I'm contributing to a bad thing, in the next I'm not. It really is as simple as that. There is one thing I have control over in this life, and that is what I choose to do. Consequently, that is also what is what I opt to judge.

> I'm not looking at outcomes, I'm looking at actions, my actions to be specific. What you do is up to you. In the first scenario I'm contributing to a bad thing, in the next I'm not. It really is as simple as that.

Okay, based on this clarification it appears that we agree on the subject matter, you just didn't like the terminology I used to describe it. Your description is exactly what I mean when I say motivated by ideological purity. As you said, you're not looking at outcomes. You just want to avoid associating yourself with what you consider to be a "bad thing" - regardless of whether your choice makes the world better, worse, or has no impact at all.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#177

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I don't know, do they really check who donated fiat comes from and refuse donations when it comes from, let's say, anyone involved in anything against their values ?

Checking this may be impractical. But for crypto donations, you don't need to check - you _know_ that it was generated in an environmentally-unfriendly way (at least for the currencies currently accepted).

eth is moving to proof of stake imminently

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#178

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Thanks for the clarifications. I misread the title and assumed that the RFC had been passed.

The RfC is passed but the effect of that is to make a request. Imagine you and I were to form a committee to discuss, e.g., landscaping in municipal gardens: we might pass a motion to suggest planting different flowers, but that would amount only to a request to the gardeners/the competent authority.

Okay. I'm not familiar with Wikipedia politics so it seems I used incorrect term again.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#179

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> What is really happening is that nobody is using it for payments at all [Citation needed] Over the past years I've been able to book flights, shop hardware, get hotels and rental cars, renew my domain, pay for my server with cryptocurrencies.

book flights with crypto? which airline or travel agency accepts crypto? I don't see how it could work with so much volatility. You could buy fully modifiable/refundable first class tickets and use them as free options to bet on the crypto in question

Expedia has accepted Bitcoin for almost a decade: https://www.expedia.com/Checkout/BitcoinTermsAndConditions

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

#180

I always find it weird when a charity or non-profit publically announces that they stop accepting certain forms of donations due to ideological reasons. It's a signal that the organization isn't particularly starving for donations. If you were planning to donate to Wikipedia any sum less than $130,100.94, remember that 70% of Wikipedians consider such donations to have no impact at all. So if you were about to donate…

I don't think there's anything weird about it. Accepting a form of payment increases demand for that form of payment. Not accepting a payment decreases the demand. In effect, wikipedia is paying the price of decreased donations to buy a decrease in the influence of cryptocurrencies. No different than spending money to advance a non-profit's goal, except that the money being "spent" is in lost potential revenue rather than distributed actual revenue.

The publicity of it is to establish an understanding that cryptocurrencies are entirely populated by scammers and their victims, and that ethical companies don't do business with scammers, do not accept money from scammers.

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