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Re: A stupid joke resulting in a silly news cycle

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Another similar one was the "Nuclear Gandhi" thing[1]. Just believable enough for programmers to think it must be true. My theory on Windows 10 would be wanting version number parity with Mac OS. Don't make a news story out of this though. Evidence: - Microsoft did the same thing with the Xbox 360 instead of calling it Xbox 2. "360" cleverly aligned it with both competing consoles of the same generation, the PlayStat…

The nuclear Gandhi think makes sense as naturally occuring from people trying to extrapolate hidden mechanics and false pattern detection. Pokemon had the "Press/hold B increases catch chance" illusion despite being pure RNG in the code.

> The nuclear Gandhi think makes sense as naturally occuring from people trying to extrapolate hidden mechanics and false pattern detection.

Well, no. It's not something you could believe if you ever played Civilization with Gandhi. (Which is itself relatively uncommon - he can only appear in half of games that are configured with 6 opponents. With fewer than 6 opponents, he can't appear at all.)

I almost never played 7-player games, but I can tell you from long experience that it's not plausible for any civilization to be more aggressive than the Zulus. For Gandhi to be "25 times more aggressive" than the other civilizations in the game, he'd need to start breaking peace treaties several times per turn as soon as he developed Democracy.

And even then, Democracy arrives long, long before nuclear weapons. Gandhi would never have been noted for an affinity for nukes[1] - he'd have been noted for an affinity for stabbing you in the back with horse-mounted knights.

The nuclear Gandhi thing makes sense as an example of someone who is completely unfamiliar with a system making up behavior that he thinks sounds interesting. But not as an example of people detecting false patterns. The true patterns are too obvious.

[1] Nukes aren't likely to come up in a game of Civilization in any event. They appear too late; you'll win or lose before they're relevant.

Re: A stupid joke resulting in a silly news cycle

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The nuclear Gandhi think makes sense as naturally occuring from people trying to extrapolate hidden mechanics and false pattern detection. Pokemon had the "Press/hold B increases catch chance" illusion despite being pure RNG in the code.

> The nuclear Gandhi think makes sense as naturally occuring from people trying to extrapolate hidden mechanics and false pattern detection. Well, no. It's not something you could believe if you ever played Civilization with Gandhi. (Which is itself relatively uncommon - he can only appear in half of games that are configured with 6 opponents. With fewer than 6 opponents, he can't appear at all.) I almost never playe…

Yes, part of the cleverness of that false claim was that Civilization 1 was already so old when the claim was made, that most people hadn't played it, or at least hadn't played in the last decade, and therefore couldn't refute it from memory or by booting it up.

Re: A stupid joke resulting in a silly news cycle

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The lesson is mainly that few news sources these days do anything like fact checking, with bothering to care at all if what they are reporting may be true or not. If you can accidentally plant a false, story imagine doing so intentionally. Or just imagine all the things you see shared on social media that didn't start from a made-up story exactly, but still get important things wrong just through the game of telephon…

It doesn't even matter. The facts of a news story aren't very relevant to the opinions people form. Instead, news largely leads people to get emotional hostile feelings about outgroups. It doesn't matter if mother Theresa saved a dying beggar or a terrorist bombed a hospital. Whatever the story, and whatever the facts, people will go away hating whoever the news hijacked their minds into hating. If you're concerned a…

You're suggesting the right way to deal with the "real problem" of hate-inducing news is... to be unconcerned with whether facts are true? Really? Like, being concerned about whether facts are true in an article about a software bug harms your ability to deal with this real problem? What's the way you recommend to handle this problem, that is based on being unconcerned with whether facts are true?

I'm not totally sure it's relevant to this particular story, but now I'm curious, are you suggesting this story about a joke bug report is an example of that real problem of hate-inducing news? (I mean, it might be).

Re: A stupid joke resulting in a silly news cycle

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The humorous musings are, despite the unlikelihood of collisions the author was pondering them for UUID (see backpack cubby analogy), this situation came up and then pondered what might have happened with a similarly unlikely collision -- byte identifiers between Roku and Pokemon. It's silly, it's in a humour forum.

The probability of getting a UUID collision is different from an intentional attempt to find a SHA-1 collision. One is guessing a truly random ~128 bit number (really - it’s effectively the output of a CSPRNG). The other is exploiting a weakness in the construction of a 160-bit value that is intended to be a secure mapping of input -> output. It’s not even remotely the same problem and saying evidence of a sha-1 coll…

>saying evidence of a sha-1 collision indicates anything about a UUID collision is plain wrong //

No one said that, so ...

Re: A stupid joke resulting in a silly news cycle

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The probability of getting a UUID collision is different from an intentional attempt to find a SHA-1 collision. One is guessing a truly random ~128 bit number (really - it’s effectively the output of a CSPRNG). The other is exploiting a weakness in the construction of a 160-bit value that is intended to be a secure mapping of input -> output. It’s not even remotely the same problem and saying evidence of a sha-1 coll…

>saying evidence of a sha-1 collision indicates anything about a UUID collision is plain wrong // No one said that, so ...

Did you read or skim?

> The odds of two UUIDs being generated with the same values on the same system is very low

…snip analogy description

> Except it could still happen. You usually get some hand-waiving from software engineers when you say this, but... collisions could still happen. Google found one.

That last bit is a link to Google brute forcing a sha1 digest

Re: A stupid joke resulting in a silly news cycle

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Same. I didn't see a joke. Were Roku devices rebooting? Was it being caused by a Pokemon game? No idea what is going on here.

The part in "the joke" contains the joke, all of the other sections are not. Pokemon Sword/Shield was really causing Roku devices to boot until Roku issued a patch as the "background" section details. The joke was this involved a collision with some signed Roku command and that's the fluke our universe gets over a planet of Justin Timberlake clones. It's not a "2 guys and a priest walk into the bar" type joke, it was…

It's a very loose interpretation of the word joke. It was more of an apocryphal explanation for a Roku bug.

Re: A stupid joke resulting in a silly news cycle

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It doesn't even matter. The facts of a news story aren't very relevant to the opinions people form. Instead, news largely leads people to get emotional hostile feelings about outgroups. It doesn't matter if mother Theresa saved a dying beggar or a terrorist bombed a hospital. Whatever the story, and whatever the facts, people will go away hating whoever the news hijacked their minds into hating. If you're concerned a…

You're suggesting the right way to deal with the "real problem" of hate-inducing news is... to be unconcerned with whether facts are true? Really? Like, being concerned about whether facts are true in an article about a software bug harms your ability to deal with this real problem? What's the way you recommend to handle this problem, that is based on being unconcerned with whether facts are true? I'm not totally sur…

Yea, for the most part, it doesn't matter if news is false, I don't think. We don't do anything with that information, just experience feelings.

You might say, what if it has real consequences like who gets elected, having a war, or making personal lifestyle choices? Yes, but true news already influences people to make bad decisions like that using its emotional tricks, so what's the difference? At least if it's all false, people won't take it so seriously. I think the truth in news is mostly there to enhance entertainment value, like a movie that's "based on a true story" is more satisfying than one that isn't.

I wasn't thinking of this particular story. Doesn't seem vary hate-inducing to me, but the meta-story about how journalists aren't doing their job does!

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