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Re: I need to find an apartment

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post #53

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why did landlords take their units off the market in berlin? because renting out is no longer interesting?

Because a law called "Mietpreisbremse" makes it entirely unattractive to rent out. That's a strict regulation on how much rent you are allowed to take. And that's just the direct financial aspect. Once a tenant lives in your place, it's really hard to get rid of them. Even if they act like total scumbags, trash the place, disturb the neighbors, pay their rent late. No reasonable investor finds it attractive to build…

Your post is bordering on propaganda.

First of all: the problem at the core is that Berlin is pretty much built out, there is not much space any more to expand to. Yes, skyscrapers could be a solution, but everyone seriously thinking about this gets invited to look at Frankfurt am Main and then forget about the idea because that city is simply hideous. Skyscrapers are very unwelcome in Germany because of that example, not to mention they need some seriously solid ground to make a proper foundation... and Berlin doesn't have that.

Second: that law was enacted because people were fed up with rents going up all the time - including absolutely ridiculous practices like "kalte Entmietung" (aka having construction crews in allll the time to drive out tenants) or charging ridiculous prices and raising rents while the property devolves ever more because the profits from the raised rents are clearly being siphoned off instead of being used to keep up maintenance.

Third: People were especially pissed off about the large landlords (Vonovia etc.) which bought their stock at fire-sale prices (literally - the 90s CDU government under Diepgen had left a veritable banking scandal and the Senate was forced to sell everything it had in the early 2000s for cheap) and now raised rent like there was no tomorrow. It was naked and utter greed that turned the public opinion so bad.

> Once a tenant lives in your place, it's really hard to get rid of them. Even if they act like total scumbags, trash the place, disturb the neighbors, pay their rent late.

Paying rent persistently late is grounds for termination, it's easy to grab an eviction order at a court. Disturbing neighbors... well let's keep it at "having illegal hotels aka AirBnBs as neighbors is way worse".

> No reasonable investor finds it attractive to build new rentals in German cities. Result is a shortage.

People build like mad wherever they still can and that is the problem. Land values in urban areas exploded - Munich for example had land values double in four years [1] - and the result is that because the land is so expensive, the resulting rental price are going to be exorbitantly expensive as well.

In the end the solution is not the market, as the market will over time only serve to evict the weakest of society - and as a result, as we have seen in Berlin and with the Yellow Vests in France, this has the potential to erode trust in democracy itself.

The solution is to revitalize the rural areas. Public transit and high-speed Internet access are the key points where the suburban and rural areas across the West have the worst issues - fix that and people will actively move towards these areas instead of all being forced to compete for urban quarters!

[1] https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-grundstueckspr...

Re: I need to find an apartment

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It frustrates me that there are so many "information programs" like these that are computationally easy to solve but rely on the free availability of information. Sadly, companies like athome.lu have no interest in sharing this data and so here we are in 2022, still having to manually search multiple sites. In Internet olden times, we dreamed about automated agents that would run searches on your behalf, scour the we…

This is why companies must be forced to make their data available. The value that could be unleashed is insane.

athome.lu is specifically selling the 'search all listings' functionality, though. If they had to make this data available they wouldn't be interested in making the data in the first place, since it'd basically be charity work for whoever else is interested in throwing that data into elasticsearch and creating a frontend for it whilst undercutting athome.

Re: I need to find an apartment

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post #4

I'm in the middle of an apartment search. I was reflecting the other day on how much searching for an apartment has changed over the last 10 years. Conclusion: it hasn't changed much at all. It's still necessary to search on a myriad of sites. Most of the time, by the time you inquire, a place is gone. Or the ad was misleading and that "$2000 2BR" is actually "$2000 for the cheapest Studio we have, but we also have 2…

> a myriad of sites

aka it is decentralized

Re: I need to find an apartment

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post #32

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In San Francisco, when I was looking for an apartment,, I always ended up with an apartment with the worst pictures / missing things in the description on Craigslist, because they had less interest / were cheaper. The market for rentals is never efficient and will never be! People who post to Zillow with a perfect description know they can extract more money for it.

I bought my house in the late-ish 90s before the web was really a big thing and certainly before things like Google StreetView. I spent a lot of time driving around to see places where I ended up not even stopping the car once I got there. Today, there would be a lot more information available. However, as you suggest, I assume all that available information probably increases the efficiency of connecting a property…

We almost didn’t stop into the house we now live in. It was #10 of 10 of open houses on a rainy Saturday and we were just looking to get a sense of things we both liked/didn’t like. This listing had terrible photos and the building had almost no updates since 1993. We walked in and in 2 minutes knew we’d want to buy the place, in part because it showed so poorly and the sellers were motivated to close. Zillow was a thing, but nowhere near as big a force as it is now.

Re: I need to find an apartment

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As someone who just jumped through all the hoops to find a new apartment, the pain is real. I think the main issue is that the incentives are misaligned from the perspective of the seeker. Where I'm currently at (the Netherlands), the market is dominated by agents. Using an agent makes sense from the perspective of the apartment owner — they will take care of managing the ads, initial screening, arranging viewings et…

The question, though, is: why doesn't this converge to a single monopolist agency, like in the rest of capitalism?

Because the duration is too long (a year) and the cost is significant for all parties to let a middleman take a huge cut of this pie. For shorter duration stays, we already have the consolidation around airbnb.

Re: I need to find an apartment

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post #154
post #34

I'm currently searching in Berlin and the market has become insane. Here's a response I got yesterday: "With more than 1200 prospective tenants, it was really difficult for the landlord to make a decision. Unfortunately, we have to inform you that the landlord has decided on other prospective tenants. Thank you for your understanding! "

As I am also looking for a flat in Berlin I can only say: At least you got a response. It's nearly impossible to find anything below 20€/m² cold rent and some people are trying to (illegally) sell on old, cheap contracts for 6000€ and more.

Can I ask what is cold rent here, does that does not include utilities or similar? Also how does the second illegal thing work, is that subletting basically?

Re: I need to find an apartment

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post #108

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> Aggregators like Padmapper helped for awhile Everyone that attempts to address the housing market just winds up realizing how lucrative it is to not fix it Once they get a little data and hire some agents its just a reversion to the mean

How is it lucrative? Would a pad mapper intentionally make some listings bad in order to reduce effective supply?

Because you can use your position to promote expensive listings with more profit. A truly functional aggregator would lower prices by creating efficiencies. It's more profitable to let the market utilize price discrimination as long as the favor is to the supply side. If there is an oversupply then the aggregator would work to raise prices and would be more profitable. Right now the most profitable renter favoring model would be an aggregator that charges renters a fee. The problem is the same people don't rent frequently enough so customer acquisition costs would likely be too high.

Re: I need to find an apartment

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Interesting article: I did something similar but for Zürich (finding a low-price, but good apartment there is almost impossible). I did follow a different approach though, and reverse engineered the APIs of the most common rental listing websites here. I didn't publish the code (or better said, I didn't make it public), but it's similar to yours. Instead of SQLite I used a PostGis database where I stored the apartmen…

Interesting. I am curious how did the ultimately play you for you? I'd be curious to hear the outcome. Thanks for the links.

Re: I need to find an apartment

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who just jumped through all the hoops to find a new apartment, the pain is real. I think the main issue is that the incentives are misaligned from the perspective of the seeker. Where I'm currently at (the Netherlands), the market is dominated by agents. Using an agent makes sense from the perspective of the apartment owner — they will take care of managing the ads, initial screening, arranging viewings et…

>Given how many people contact a single viewing, you definitely don't want them hitting your personal inbox or phone. This is something I noticed last time I was apartment hunting in Montréal. You'd see a sign or listing, call, and the number would be out of service. As if landlords were using virtual numbers/call forwarding services and just shutting it off once the unit was rented.

I might test this one day just to verify it did start with zillow, but after an interesting set of experiences* calling phone numbers for rentals on Zillow I started getting some very odd text messages about bank accounts I don't own and suspicious activity.

I don't call phone numbers on listing sites anymore, even if there's a face and an agency next to it. Better off looking up the agency, going to their website an calling that number (which in all three cases of the above, were different than the one on Zillow).

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* by "interesting set of experiences" I mean calling the number on a listing took me to an automated menu and a robotic voice where I had to enter the street number, and then first five letters of a street name so it could "look up" the property I was inquiring about, and connect me to the right seller.

Hanging up on that nonsense immediately and calling the leasing agency's number via their website got me a human being in two rings, and the leasing agent for the unit I was interested in after about 45 seconds of hold music.

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