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Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by idleproc »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #151
idleproc wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine it will affect artists much the same way wordpress has affected web designers. Maybe everyone will have an AI image as their desktop wallpaper, but if you've got cash you'll want something with provenance and rarity to brag about. Also, I think creatives are valued for their imagination. If you wanted something decent, would you pay someone to sift through a million AI generated images to find a gem, or jus…

> you'll want something with provenance and rarity to brag about. 1) That is a tiny share of the market. Most of the market is - I have a game / online publication / book, and I need an illustration xyz. Which this AI seems to solve. 2) how do you even prove your rare art wasn't painted by an AI?

1) Sure there's a lot of work for that kind of thing but creatives typically earn a pittance. I doubt an AI could meet your specific requirements without having to spend hours(?) tweaking it or sifting through countless variations for the 'one'.

2) Because we haven't built a machine that can paint (etc.) with traditional materials like a skilled artist?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by [deleted] »

andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

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Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by ibejoeb »

jonahx wrote: post #6
andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

I've been on HN for years and I still can't figure out how to format text as a quote I don't think there is a way comparable to markdown, since the formatting options are limited: https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc So your options are literal quotes, "code" formatting like you've done, italics like I've done, or the '>' convention, but that doesn't actually apply formatting. Would be nice if it were added.

If you're interested, the HNES extension formats it

https://github.com/etcet/HNES

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by nemothekid »

methehack wrote: post #163
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you went to an artist who takes commissions and they said "Here are the guidelines around the commissions I take" would you complain in the same way? Who cares if it's a bunch of engineers or an artist. If they have boundaries on what they want to create, that's their prerogative.

What if you were inventing a language (or a programming language)... If you decided to prevent people from saying things you disagreed (assuming you could work out the technical details of doing so) with would it be moral to do so? [edited for clarity]

There are programming projects[1] out there that use licenses to prevent people from using projects in ways the authors don't agree with. You could also argue that GPL does the same thing (prevents people from using/distributing the software in the way they would like).

Whether you consider it moral doesn't seem relevant, only to respect the wishes of the author of such programs.

[1] https://github.com/katharostech/bevy_retrograde/blob/master/...

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

methehack wrote: post #163
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you went to an artist who takes commissions and they said "Here are the guidelines around the commissions I take" would you complain in the same way? Who cares if it's a bunch of engineers or an artist. If they have boundaries on what they want to create, that's their prerogative.

What if you were inventing a language (or a programming language)... If you decided to prevent people from saying things you disagreed (assuming you could work out the technical details of doing so) with would it be moral to do so? [edited for clarity]

As long as people can choose not to use the language, and I'm up front about the limitations, then yeah it seems fine. If I wrote a programming language that couldn't blow up the earth, I'm happy saying people need to find other tools if that's their goal. I'm under no obligation to build an earth blower upper for other people.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by DaedPsyker »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #67
binarymax wrote: post #11

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Removing these areas to mitigate misuse is a good thing and worth the trade off. Companies like OpenAI have a responsibility to society. Imagine the prompt “A photorealistic Joe Biden killing a priest”. If you asked an artist to do the same they might say no. Adding guiderails to a machine that can’t make ethical decisions is a good thing.

In my view, the problem with that argument is that large actors, such as governments or large corporations, can train their own models without such restrictions. The knowledge to train them is public. So rather than prevent bad outcomes, these restrictions just restrict them to an oligopoly. Personally, I fear more what corporations or some governments can do with such models than what a random person can do generati…

Sure but does opening that level of manipulation up to everyone really benefit anyone either? You can't really fight disinformation with more disinformation, that just seems like the seeds of societal breakdown at that point.

Besides that these models are massive. For quite a while the only people even capable of making them will be those with significant means. That will be mostly Governments and Corporations anyway.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by danso »

eganist wrote: post #21

The timing of the Dall-E 2 launch an hour ago seems to correspond with a recent piece of investigative journalism by Buzzfeed News about one of Sam Altman's other ventures, published 15 hours ago and discussed elsewhere actively on HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30931614 I point this out because while Dall-E 2 seems interesting (I'm out of my depth, so delegating to the conversation taking place h…

I'm not a huge fan of these coordination theories. But a few things worth noting:

- In support of your argument, the Buzzfeed News investigation likely has been in the works for weeks, meaning Altman et al have had more than just a couple days to throw together a Dall-E 2 soft launch

- However, weren't OpenAI's GPT (2 and 3) announced to the world in similar fashion? e.g. demos and whitepapers and waitlists, but not a full product release?

- Throwing together a Dall-E 2 soft launch just in time to distract from the investigation would require a conspiracy, i.e. several people being at least vaguely aware that deadlines have been accelerated for external reasons. Is the Worldcoin story big enough to risk tainting OpenAI, which seems like a much more prominent part of Altman's portfolio?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

andybak wrote: post #148
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #100

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And the "code" formatting for quotes is generally a bad choice because people read on a variety of screen sizes, and "code" formatting can screw that up (try reading the quote with a really narrow window).

I couldn't get any of the others work and I lost patience. I really do disline using Markdown variants as they never behave the same and "being surprised" is not really what I want when trying to post a comment.

Convention is to quote like this:

> This is my quote.

It's much better than using a code block for your readers.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by karkisuni »

methehack wrote: post #163
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you went to an artist who takes commissions and they said "Here are the guidelines around the commissions I take" would you complain in the same way? Who cares if it's a bunch of engineers or an artist. If they have boundaries on what they want to create, that's their prerogative.

What if you were inventing a language (or a programming language)... If you decided to prevent people from saying things you disagreed (assuming you could work out the technical details of doing so) with would it be moral to do so? [edited for clarity]

it's your language, do whatever you want. unless you're forcing others to use that language, there's zero moral issue. obviously you could come up with a number of what-ifs where this becomes some monopoly or the de facto standard, but that's not what this is.
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