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Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by gundmc »

bryans wrote: post #134
neilv wrote: post #29

This sounds like a potentially great business clarity move: > We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube” But this part -- bait&switch, with only one week to decide or move, (if that's accurate) -- is not what you want from your B2B solution provider: > “I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive,” [...] if she wanted to keep hosting her content on the site, she’d need to upgrade…

> "I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive," In other words, she has no idea what bandwidth or server costs are and doesn't realize Vimeo is definitely losing money on distributing her videos, but still arrogantly believes she is entitled to infinite bandwidth for free because "that's what YouTube does."

Not for free, for $200.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by gundmc »

hannasanarion wrote: post #144
bobitsaboy wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$3500 for hosting on top of what they already paid for hosting for the current length of their plan, with 7 days notice to vacate otherwise. And then how much next week? The week after that? How could anyone trust Vimeo as a provider for their business after this?

That 3500 is for a whole year. The per month cost is $300. That's 1.5% of the income that she gets from the videos.

Revenue, not income*

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by cronix »

nathanyz wrote: post #111
deadalus wrote: post #2

Vimeo Alternatives : Centralized : Youtube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vidlii, DLive, Triller Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

Throwing in us as well, Swarmify Billing based on views instead of bandwidth

How much of the video has to be watched to be considered "a view?"

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by lillecarl »

worldmerge wrote: post #142
egypturnash wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tap a link to a torrent and watch the video it contains on your phone? If the answer is “no” then I think this is the answer to your question.

With webtorrent JS, yes.

But it doesn't have the infrastructure to handle different resolution delivery based on connection speed and such, on good connections sure but on unreliable connections it's not the same story.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by technobabbler »

bryans wrote: post #134
neilv wrote: post #29

This sounds like a potentially great business clarity move: > We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube” But this part -- bait&switch, with only one week to decide or move, (if that's accurate) -- is not what you want from your B2B solution provider: > “I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive,” [...] if she wanted to keep hosting her content on the site, she’d need to upgrade…

> "I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive," In other words, she has no idea what bandwidth or server costs are and doesn't realize Vimeo is definitely losing money on distributing her videos, but still arrogantly believes she is entitled to infinite bandwidth for free because "that's what YouTube does."

But should it be her job as a content producer to understand Vimeo's costs and margins? Vimeo is one of those who liked to advertise seemingly unmetered bandwidth behind an fine-print fair-use policy, luring people into a cheap pro plan with the hopes that most of them won't take off and become viral. That was their bet, one that they're now regretting. They could've just easily put a bandwidth meter on every account and let people decide what to do if they get close to that limit.

It's not even like the early days of Gmail abuse where people were using it as a cheap web disk, consuming way more storage and bandwidth than Gmail could've reasonably estimated. This person is just using Vimeo as they intended: hosting and serving videos. She wasn't trying to abuse the service, just using it the way they sold it to her, as a place to host videos for $200/year. Whose fault is it that they underpriced their plans as loss leaders on purpose, and the bet didn't quite pay off?

If they want to up their price because they want to change their business model, you know, more power to them... but sheesh, at least give her 60-90 days to figure out next steps. Some home internet connections can't even download all those videos and reupload them within 7 days.

(edit: to be clear, Gmail didn't offer unlimited disk, just a LOT of disk)

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by mikechalmers »

bryans wrote: post #134
neilv wrote: post #29

This sounds like a potentially great business clarity move: > We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube” But this part -- bait&switch, with only one week to decide or move, (if that's accurate) -- is not what you want from your B2B solution provider: > “I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive,” [...] if she wanted to keep hosting her content on the site, she’d need to upgrade…

> "I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive," In other words, she has no idea what bandwidth or server costs are and doesn't realize Vimeo is definitely losing money on distributing her videos, but still arrogantly believes she is entitled to infinite bandwidth for free because "that's what YouTube does."

Why is it arrogant or entitlement when there are several services which allow video uploads for free, never mind $200/year? If you look at her play counts and read her position, I don't think there's indication of her expecting "infinite bandwidth".

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by TameAntelope »

bryans wrote: post #134
neilv wrote: post #29

This sounds like a potentially great business clarity move: > We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube” But this part -- bait&switch, with only one week to decide or move, (if that's accurate) -- is not what you want from your B2B solution provider: > “I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive,” [...] if she wanted to keep hosting her content on the site, she’d need to upgrade…

> "I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive," In other words, she has no idea what bandwidth or server costs are and doesn't realize Vimeo is definitely losing money on distributing her videos, but still arrogantly believes she is entitled to infinite bandwidth for free because "that's what YouTube does."

Curious; I’m pretty tech savvy, how much video could I self host (or in the cloud) for $200/yr?

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by vbezhenar »

NavinF wrote: post #166
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Put another way - this comes out to $0.12 per view for a 2 hour video (assuming low views per video). Considering the cost of bandwidth, you can't get that much better.

Meh, I could host it in my data center for under $100/mo. Transit is like $0.1/mbps/month.

Cloudflare (and, obviuosly, vimeo) allows for good scalability and provides plenty of services underneath. You would need to code a lot of stuff to provide scalability (like imagine that your video became virus and thousands of people want to watch it at the same time, that's hundreds of gigabits of traffic). You would need to recode it for different devices. You would need to recode it for different network speeds. You would need to make reliable backups to prevent data loss.

Maybe you don't even need all that stuff and simple gigabit dedicated server with tag would be good enough for your use-case. That would allow to save a lot of money for sure.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by ohgodplsno »

judge2020 wrote: post #10

This is a response to the Patreon story from last week[0]. The thing with Vimeo charging that much for videos is that it doesn’t look like they actually needed Vimeo. Ya, it’s nice to have rich analytics, but it sounded like they would have been just fine simply distributing the MP4 to subscribers via some file transfer service, eg. WeTransfer. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30686704

Nobody wants to download a 20GB 4K video when you could just watch it online and have a bookmark.
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