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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by kipchak »

gruez wrote: post #151
kipchak wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm reading it correctly "violence against Russians and Russian soldiers" seems like it would apply to both civilians and soldiers.

I'm not sure when this was edited in, but they seem to have added a line saying that attacks against russian civilians are still not allowed. >We still won’t allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

It looks as though the URL has been changed along with the update to the source, the original link was to https://archive.ph/TV8DV#selection-475.71-475.118

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by keewee7 »

delusional wrote: post #94
barbacoa wrote: post #21

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

War makes unlikely alliances. If you're fighting for the existence of your country you're not going to say no to the help of nazis. And if you're using the biggest social media platform on the planet to organize that war, you're going to want your allies on it. What you've just discovered is that a unified policy across the entire world isn't actually the right policy. In one country you may want to ban some stuff yo…

>War makes unlikely alliances. If you're fighting for the existence of your country you're not going to say no to the help of nazis.

Well said. When Nazi Germany occupied Denmark it was a far-right conservative Danish resistance movement that helped Danish Jews flee to Sweden.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by BaseballPhysics »

Headline has been editorialized, original is:

"Facebook temporarily allows posts on Ukraine war calling for violence against invading Russians or Putin's death"

The lead paragraph goes on to say:

> Meta Platforms (FB.O) will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion

(emphasis mine)

And Meta stated in the article that:

> We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians,

I'm not saying I agree or disagree but the title should be corrected as this nuance is important, as it indicates generic calls for violence against any and all Russians is still not acceptable.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by paxys »

mrtksn wrote: post #137
paxys wrote: post #13

It's ridiculous to assume that "I hate my neighbor and am going to kill him" and "there's a Russian army invading my city, we should set up an ambush" should be held to the same standard of speech. Of course, a larger question is whether Facebook should be the arbiter for this in the first place, but then the content is posted on their own private platform, and unlike a lot of people here I still think they should ha…

It's 2003, the US and UK invade Iraq claiming that they have WMD(which later was proven to be false). Is it O.K. for Facebook to allow call for violence against Americans and the British? Should Facebook provide secure channel for the organisation of the assassination of T. Blair? Zuckerberg moved by the struggle of the Palestinians, starts allowing Hamas to organize attacks through E2E encrypted channel on Israeli s…

Their policies apply to Russian soldiers in Ukraine, not regular citizens

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by mrtksn »

paxys wrote: post #174
mrtksn wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 2003, the US and UK invade Iraq claiming that they have WMD(which later was proven to be false). Is it O.K. for Facebook to allow call for violence against Americans and the British? Should Facebook provide secure channel for the organisation of the assassination of T. Blair? Zuckerberg moved by the struggle of the Palestinians, starts allowing Hamas to organize attacks through E2E encrypted channel on Israeli s…

Their policies apply to Russian soldiers in Ukraine, not regular citizens

I'm sure that Facebook will be checking the persons targeted on their platform for registration in the Russian army but do you suggest that you are alright for Facebook to facilitate the the mentioned actions as long as they restrict it to soldiers?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by zoomablemind »

There is no point in calling for violence on social media against anyone, the Russian people including.

It may feel liberating for some to post such calls, but the actual killing is happening right now on the real ground, not virtual.

This is what needs to stop!

Channeling the anger and helplessness against the aggressor into the hate is not making people stronger and is not going to stop the aggression.

If anything, expressing your own thoughts and feelings about the current events and how they affect your daily lives could be not only a way to cope with this crisis, but also a way to document this uneasy and fearful time for the future self and others.

Posts, tweets etc. describing our individual and collective human experience of this is what may eventualy help find a way out of this nightmare, not the hate.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by dingoegret12 »

mrtksn wrote: post #175
paxys wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their policies apply to Russian soldiers in Ukraine, not regular citizens

I'm sure that Facebook will be checking the persons targeted on their platform for registration in the Russian army but do you suggest that you are alright for Facebook to facilitate the the mentioned actions as long as they restrict it to soldiers?

They didn't answer. This is a really tough one for them I see

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by diordiderot »

bathtub365 wrote: post #33
Bostonian wrote: post #10

"March 10 (Reuters) - Meta Platforms (FB.O) will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion" Russian soldiers invading Ukraine are combatants. Discussing battle tactics against soldiers is not the same as calling for violence against Russian civilians.

Why is it happening on a social network that an American tech company is running and moderating?

Why does it matter

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by paxys »

mrtksn wrote: post #175
paxys wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their policies apply to Russian soldiers in Ukraine, not regular citizens

I'm sure that Facebook will be checking the persons targeted on their platform for registration in the Russian army but do you suggest that you are alright for Facebook to facilitate the the mentioned actions as long as they restrict it to soldiers?

I can't speak about the first part (I assume posts of this nature aren't really going to mention individual soldiers by name), but yes I do think it's okay for Facebook to facilitate violence when it is a clear case of self defense. I think organized guerilla warfare against a powerful invading army is a perfect use case for a neighborhood social network.
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