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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Gareth321 »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #125
Gareth321 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a good alternative for the big middle distribution of computer skills of the computer user base. Web browser only? Great. Highly skilled? Great. Everyone else? It can be a nightmare. Linus' Linux Challenge videos ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M ) provide excellent insight into the typical user experience for anyone beyond web browser only requirements and beneath administrator level. If you find you…

Whenever people mentioned Linux UX and computer knowledge I always feel like I should evangelize that Zorin OS is alive and well, now at Zorin Core 16. I use it for my parents, after they got fed up with Windows warnings and pop-ups for Windows 10 upgrade. I am not sure they full understand they are using Linux, they just assume it is a 'free' windows version.

Thanks for the suggestion. I've never used it so I'll boot up a VM and give it a go.

I will be honest with you: I don't expect Zorin to have solved the CLI problem. For example, Radarr is an extremely popular tool for managing movies. It connects to usenet and torrent clients, as well as indexers and movie databases. It makes maintaining a home movie collection seamless.

Radarr is not in major package managers, and requires the CLI for install (https://wiki.servarr.com/radarr/installation#linux). In Windows, I double click an .exe. On Zorin (I assume) I will have to follow a reasonably complicated and time consuming installation process, full of opportunities to misconfigure the install.

This is just one example of many. Radarr isn't a super hardcore 1337 program. It's a very common application aimed at everyone who runs Plex. Until Zorin has a .exe equivalent for all applications like this, it's just not going to be a competitor to Windows, for users who need more than just a web browser, and those who are not IT administrators.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Mindwipe »

zeepzeep wrote: post #90

Okay, what again prevents me from making a service that films a browser watching youtube? Could they do anything against that? No? Then ytdl will continue to be a thing.

You mean for other people to use? You'd lose any copyright case in Europe. You mean for your own personal use? I'm pretty sure if they limit it only to people who can be bothered to set up a camera pointing to a monitor and cleaned of reflections and lighting artefacts etc etc then the labels would be okay with that given 99.999999% of people won't.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by UncleMeat »

lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #76

How can we create a video platform with high-quality discovery, personalization, subscriptions, comments, voting, and more — while also making it technically incapable of being evil and closed? Are there technologies that we can use to allow network effects to accumulate to software that isn't controlled by a single, rent-extracting, and private entity?

You can't, if copyrighted content from the major media companies ends up on this product. Things that feel like anti-features on YouTube (can't watch videos with the screen off, can't download videos) are consequences of lawsuits against YouTube from ages past.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by paulcole »

feanaro wrote: post #126
md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

We're not being a little too cute. If you are supposed to be able to access YouTube from Firefox or Chrome, then you are also supposed to be able to access it via youtube-dl, given all of those are HTTP clients. Saying otherwise would be setting a dangerous precedent of trying to legislate which HTTP clients are allowed and which are disallowed.

I can go to an all you can eat restaurant with my empty stomach. I can’t go to an all you can eat restaurant with an empty garbage bag to fill up with food for later.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by paulcole »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #127
dehrmann wrote: post #89

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> rent-extracting, and private entity? Google isn't really rent seeking with Youtube. It pays for distribution (even for demonetized content), site development, building recommendation systems, content moderation, accessibility though subtitles, etc. That doesn't mean they don't make money on it, that their decisions are always just, or what they promote is good for society, just that they add a lot of value beyond s…

I think maybe this was true five years ago, but at some point they decided to turn the screws and really ramp up advertising. I don’t follow their financials but I assume the site was self sufficient with far fewer ads than today, and that now they are extracting profit (rents) from their established behemoth. Of course I could be wrong.

You know you can pay YouTube like $10 a month and never see an ad again, right?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by pydry »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #157
stuu99 wrote: post #42

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>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

Kind of insane that we’re turning our glorious revolution of cheap, general purpose computers back into TV’s in the name of protecting Big Copyright from a niggling amount of infringement.

It's part of a wider war over who owns and controls general purpose computing which we're losing.

It's as much about downloading pirated copies of Finding Nemo as all encompassing network surveillance is about finding pedophiles.

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Post by supercheetah »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #163
Iolaum wrote: post #155

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There are already non mainstream OEMs you can buy hardware from that won't have this problem. System76, entroware, Purism (laptops+smartphones), Frame.Work (not only Linux laptops) and other Linux manufacturers are there to serve you. On the mobile space there is Purism, Pine64 and FairPhone. In our dystopian future, if you want ownership of a computing device you 'll need buy a nieche one.

And good luck buying any of these devices if you’re outside of the blessed distribution centers. Try buying any of those in Brazil or non US/UK/EU countries and you’re going to have tons of fun with import taxes and shipping. Suddenly, a cheap device costs more than a flagship iPhone or android with none of their benefits except the intangible freedom.

Slimbook in Spain is like the EU version of System 76.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Nextgrid »

usrbinbash wrote: post #138
Nextgrid wrote: post #134

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It's a war of attrition I guess. Wear down the enemy and anyone associated with them over time.

By shutting down hosting a links-only-page, at one provider, in one country, and that only if they win in court and no higher court overrules the decision?

By bogging down anyone involved with the project (even if the involvement itself doesn't infringe on anything, like a links-only page) with costly and time-consuming investigation.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by toyg »

syshum wrote: post #156
armada651 wrote: post #139

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> plus the analogue hole is disappearing rapidly As long as you can aim a camera at a monitor or put a Bluetooth speaker next to a microphone the analogue loop hole will never disappear.

if that becomes the only avenue to rip a movie wide spread distribution of said movie with out permission will die The idea that you would have lots of people getting up camera's and monitors to record a movie for distribution on the internet is laughable, and it would be a cam quality today so you would just end up with the early releases capture via someone setting in a theater which are generally poor quality

Poor quality but they still exist. If all digital versions were made unfeasible, you can bet good money that camripping would become more popular - and probably result in better-quality approaches at some point.
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