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Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by tsol »

rajup wrote: post #127
gameswithgo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After seeing what about half of America was able to believe for over six years I have no confidence that people will realize things don’t make sense

Firstly it’s not half of America since not everyone votes. Secondly I doubt every Trump voter believes or believed every single lie he spewed. There are tons of reasons why someone might have voted for him without really agreeing with all of his rubbish. IMHO it would help to stop painting this other section of voters as dumb and easily duped.

Whether or not it's half, whether or not they really believed every word.. a majority still supported Trump such that he was elected president of the United States. How much his supporters actually believe is irrelevant at that point

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Post by tsol »

itsoktocry wrote: post #151
LgWoodenBadger wrote: post #101

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Come on man. His is an example of real life “if gold rusts, what then of iron?” If people with a free press believe propaganda and lies, what do you expect of people who only have a state-run propaganda machine?

> what do you expect of people who only have a state-run propaganda machine? This is your error. They don't "only" have state-run propaganda, and these aren't a backwards, brainwashed, uneducated people.

Independent news sources are rare in Russia, especially with the recent law making "misinformation" a jailable offense with up to 15 years jail time. I'm not saying there isn't any other news sources, but it legitimately seems like you have to go well out of your way to find them. How many Americans are digging into different news sources to see if the narrative on Ukraine is true or if it's all a western farce? Just the same many Russians aren't double checking the narrative they're being fed

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by can16358p »

sudosysgen wrote: post #166
can16358p wrote: post #161

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I was implying that there is no war where I live, to contrast with the situation in Ukraine. It's not even comparable to what's happening in Ukraine.

I believe the comparison was between Turkey and Russia, not Turkey and Ukraine.

The comparison was indeed about propaganda of Russian and Turkish authorities. Then my reply was to the comment about the cities being in war, which implies Ukraine (as being actively physically bombarded), where I explained that where I live has nothing to do with war as in guns and explosions.

"Living in war", at least for me, implies being physically present in an active war zone that has been bombarded with military and explosions, not some conflict at the other end of the country which is mainly affecting another country.

(Just for clarity: I personally do NOT support war in any way, either the one affecting Ukraine nor Syria, regardless of the initiator)

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by parkingrift »

itsoktocry wrote: post #148
parkingrift wrote: post #111

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Straw man. I said no such thing. Please respond to the text I actually wrote.

I literally quoted you, and responded to it. Here it is again: " A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. And that’s with free press in America. Not at all hard to believe that a significant proportion of Russian people believe this lie. " Believing in election fraud and believing that a population are coincidentally killing themselves during a military incursion are no…

Again, that’s not an argument I’ve made. Please respond to what I’ve written, not an imaginary argument you’ve decided to defeat.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by futhey »

jmconfuzeus wrote: post #143

I hope development on Clickhouse doesn't go south.

ClickHouse, Inc spun out of Yandex last year and is now a private company HQ in the bay area, although their funding is partially from participation by Yandex. No idea if this moved any portion of their development. Would be curious to see if this has any impact, or if they're going to get lucky and evade Yandex's current problems.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by sangnoir »

ineedasername wrote: post #102
randogeuebdb wrote: post #88

Not arguing against sanctions in general, but for South Africa, the collapse of the soviet union, which had been propping up the south african economy, played a more important role. https://reason.com/2013/12/06/did-economic-sanctions-help-en...

Economic pressure is usually cited as a primary factor leading to the end of apartheid, beginning in 1990, which is before the collapse of the former Soviet Union. I'm not disagreeing that the collapse played a part, but I think it's safe to say there was no single cause. Without ever-increasing sanctions the ball might not have started rolling in 1990. Without Soviet collapse it might not have unraveled quite as fas…

The article is revisionist BS. There was no "misunderstanding" of what Apartheid and its value system were, it is just that back then, institutional racism wasn't a deal breaker for allies involved in overt and covert proxy wars against communism in southern africa. The South African government negotiations with Mandela predate the fall of the Berlin wall and the Soviet collapse. The post facto rationalization to say "Apartheid was the real socialism, and should have been rejected for that reason" rings a little hollow when it's said in retrospect, but it's on-message for reason.com

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Post by concinds »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #65
concinds wrote: post #40

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> not bring us 60 years of the most peaceful days in modern history? This is a very strange historic rewriting that's popped up everywhere in the last weeks. Did the Cold War not exist? There have been wars, genocides, coups, and regime changes practically continuously, and international media has consistently reported on them. Western media just didn't highlight them because: {they didn't involve major US security i…

“ This is a very strange historic rewriting that's popped up everywhere in the last weeks. Did the Cold War not exist?” It’s simply pointing to the per-world-capita death rate due to war after ww2 where it dropped precipitously.

War casualties follow power laws, not normal distributions. It's a nonsensical "analysis".

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Post by coward-guy »

witrak wrote: post #149
coward-guy wrote: post #138

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Unfortunately, Russian propaganda is based of facts which are hard to dispute: * Right Sector - Ukrainian nationalist neo-nazi political party in Ukrainian parliamentary * Azov Detachment - neo-Nazi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, who participated in wars in Donbass * Lots of streets are named after Stepan Bandera, for example Stepan Bandera Avenue in Kyiv, who was a leader of Ukrainian ultranationalists and c…

Such arguments seem to be rather strange. How would you react to similar propaganda about temporary Americans based on the number of monuments of South generals and politicians from the Civil War period? They still weren't removed everywhere in the USA. Does it give credibility to the allegation that there's still slavery in America?

That's true. However, to be fair, the monuments of South generals were erected a long time ago, but the avenue was renamed in 2016.

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Post by taf2 »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #26
taf2 wrote: post #15

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In 1930s and following world war 1… did the measure to punish Germany not result in world war 2? Don’t get me wrong, I’m very pro we should do more to help Ukraine … I feel good when I hear oligarchs are losing their super yachts… and I do not see away for the world to do business with Russia now we should be cutting oil purchases too… but really what does this do ? Does it not just further cement a people under the…

Did the measures to stop Germany and Japan after WW2 not bring us 60 years of the most peaceful days in modern history?

Yes which was very different from what we did after ww1

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by sudosysgen »

can16358p wrote: post #173
sudosysgen wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the comparison was between Turkey and Russia, not Turkey and Ukraine.

The comparison was indeed about propaganda of Russian and Turkish authorities. Then my reply was to the comment about the cities being in war, which implies Ukraine (as being actively physically bombarded), where I explained that where I live has nothing to do with war as in guns and explosions. "Living in war", at least for me, implies being physically present in an active war zone that has been bombarded with milit…

Ah, in that case I think we agree mostly. However I'd say that paying taxes that go towards armed conflict we are, to some degree, doing war.
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