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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by artem247 »

anthk wrote: post #40
magicalist wrote: post #28

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> No one is innocent I'm going to go with jailing citizens for 15 years as much worse than mildly critical journalists in Russia. Ignoring your combo whataboutism and gish gallop. Don't think Russia has much jurisdiction over some Spanish news channel.

https://wikiless.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine?lang=en Look what happened in Ukraine. Among neonazis, they supported this: Ukraine's 2017 education law will make Ukrainian the required language of study in state schools from the fifth grade on, although it allows instruction in other languages as a separate subject,[65][66][67] to be phased in in 2023.[68] Since 2017, the Hungary–Ukraine relations rapidly deter…

I’ve finished state with Ukrainian as a primary language of instruction, being a Russian speaker. That was long time ago, more than 15 years. To be honest, it is not a big deal, you use both languages daily, you watch movies in both languages and so on.

I also don’t get “among neo-nazis” line.

In any case language question is more a Russian propaganda talking point, I don’t see it being major topic in the Ukrainian political life.

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Post by coolso »

pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

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Post by honkdaddy »

ajross wrote: post #98
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Curious what you're citing here? The american right obviously has an extremely robust selection of sources to choose from in every medium there is. You can read Breitbart or watch Fox, you can find multiple radio stations with talking heads in every market. You can find fellow travellers on Facebook or 4chan (or right here). The biggest podcast in the nation pushes a mostly conservative line. I mean, I'm sure that so…

Are you talking about Joe Rogan? He’s not a conservative.

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Post by meragrin_ »

squarefoot wrote: post #83
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Does it sound surprising that they all are Putin strong supporters?

"We're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they're paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

"So we're supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate"

Trump 2018

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-summit-pipeline/trum...

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Post by cheeseomlit »

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stronglikedan wrote: post #50

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> racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights The thing is, those are all non-issues now, and have been for a while. The reason the MSM is known as fake news in the US, is that they keep trying to push these as current issues, even though they've been settled.

That's a truck-load of bullshit. Texas Gov. Abbot is pushing an anti-LGBTQ+ agenda in the open. He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse. The Texas right-leaning lege just got through passing a bill that was designed to be hard to assail in the courts that hands out money for turning in anyone who assist someone in seekin…

Chemically castrating a child is child abuse.

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Post by vernie »

jagrsw wrote: post #134
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What TVs are made in Russia?

I used to have Viesna (spring) - https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/ussr-tv-vesna-c-276-3d-... It even had an additional electronic component which made it accept PAL signal, in addition to its native SECAM. PS: Some say SECAM was technically superior to PAL, but dunno.

I think SECAM and PAL were roughly equivalent and both had better spatial resolution than NTSC but the 25 Hz frame rate never sat well with me.

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Post by BitwiseFool »

maxlamb wrote: post #129
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Any evidence that democrats “operate the antifa terrorist network”? There were riots in Portland after Biden was elected, it seems antifa are mostly anarchists and not a fan of the current Democratic Party either.

The expectation for conservatives / republican politicians is that a failure to disavow any problematic group is perceived as endorsement. So I can just as easily beg the question, why haven't more Democrats come out and disavowed antifa?

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Post by peeters »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #169
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

"Fake News" comes in many forms. Hyperbole and playing fast and loose with words like "waged a war" plays into this. The media has NEVER been particularly friendly to the President. Even George Washington himself lamented how the press was slandering his administration with falsehoods. What did this war look like? What actions did the government actually take to fight journalists covering POTUS unfavorably? Because I…

I think it's useful to distinguish between what a President says, and what he uses his executive powers to do. As far as what he did, I think the most impactful was probably drastically reducing press briefings in which the free press can directly challenge the administration.

https://pressgazette.co.uk/trump-vs-media-freedom-of-press-d...

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Post by ilamont »

Ripping a page from Hong Kong's "national security" law under the PRC, which resulted in Apple Daily publisher Jimmy Lai being sentenced to prison (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56770567). The law even goes after people not living in Hong Kong:

The wording of the Hong Kong national security law asserts jurisdiction over people who are not residents of Hong Kong and have never even set foot there. This means anyone on Earth, regardless of nationality or location, can technically be deemed to have violated this law and face arrest and prosecution if they are in a Chinese jurisdiction, even for transit.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/07/hong-kong-nat...

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