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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by pkd »

stackedinserter wrote: post #72
joshlemer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protesters are still allowed to protest peacefully, they just aren't allowed to occupy the area around parliament and shut down border crossings for weeks, and intimidate and enact violence against the citizens of Ottawa. Nobody is stopping anyone from peacefully protesting in Canada, give your head a shake.

Nobody intimidated or enact violence against Ottawa residents. Based on what I saw with my own eyes last week, protesters and truckers are friendly and peaceful. IDK maybe they turn to werewolves at night, but the most aggressive thing I saw there was "fuck trudeau" signs everywhere.

My friend was accosted for wearing a mask on Saturday in a restaurant. One of the two downtown grocery stores had to close because the employees were being intimated by the protestors to let them inside without a mask. A neighborhood ice cream store employee was assaulted for wearing a mask while walking to work, and the store closed down. The biggest shopping center downtown has been closed for 3 weeks, putting over a thousand people out of a job because the protestors kept trying to force their way in to stores without wearing masks.

These are not protests against the government. They harm actual people on the ground trying to get on with their lives.

I'm sorry the YouTube streams have not shown any of this. Who'd have thought that even youtubers can have editorial intent!

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

He wouldn't have had to invoke emergency act if the Ottawa municipal police, the ones responsible for maintaining order in the city of Ottawa, did anything at all. They sat on their asses for weeks. The municipal leadership was non-existent, the ontario provincial leadership was non-existent, so what's left?

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Post by dbliss »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #91
tyleo wrote: post #39

I’m not in Ottowa and I feel like I’m not sure what to believe here. On one hand, if the protests really were peaceful, I do not believe the government should shut them down. On the other hand, I’ve heard the protests have caused millions in trade to be shut down which I would not consider a peaceful act. If some non-citizen entity shut down millions in trade, I don’t think it would be viewed as peaceful. Should the…

Over a quarter of trade between the US and Canada goes between Detroit and Windsor, so the scale hasn't been overblown but there's a question as to why is blocking trade off the table? Seems like another case of things being ok if they impact humans but as soon as corporations are inconvenienced, the gloves have to come off and the humans treated as terrorists. If the humans would go back to their gated free speech z…

Would you not agree that there are people behind the economic damage? Just calling it hurting corporations dehumanizes the automotive works that have been put out of work due to the temporary plant closures that the blockade has caused.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

tedivm wrote: post #70
e4e78a06 wrote: post #47

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Confiscating peoples' assets does not exactly engender you to a lot of political support. You're risking a massive loss in the next elections if you do that, just like how Democrats in the US are also facing huge electoral pressures on crime and COVID restrictions [1]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/new-york-mask...

This idea that there's a crime wave seems to be pushed here and on reddit by month old accounts with no real proof. The reality is that crime is down in most places. Lets look at San Francisco. I'm going to get my stats right from the San Francisco Police Department. Homocide - Down 20% Rape - Down 23.8% Robbery - Down 20.7% Assault - Down 8.8% Human Trafficking - Down 83.3% Burglary - Down 45.4% Motor Vehicle Theft…

https://www.koin.com/is-portland-over/looking-at-the-data-po...

There definitely has been a surge of crime after the pandemic.

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Post by toolz »

dblohm7 wrote: post #56
nirav72 wrote: post #33

This is definately going to back fire on him and his administration. There weren't any major incidence of violence or rioting. They got the bridge cleared. He should've left it at that and let it fizzle out.

There have been multiple incidents of protesters using large vehicles to smash through police barricades. What do you call that?

well back when government buildings were being burned down and people were getting shot - it was commonly and correctly referred to as "mostly peaceful protesting"

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Post by [deleted] »

Jackim wrote: post #92
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #74

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The problem for your narrative is that there are dozens of livestreamers showing the exact opposite of what you claim. Unless YouTube shuts them down, you cannot control the narrative no matter what story you spin. It's a new age, stop playing cards from an old one if you want to be believed.

I understand that many, many people are having fun, being kind, and are generally enjoying the party atmosphere. That does not discount the fact that people are being intimidated, put out of work, and assaulted every day since this has begun.

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Post by bloggie »

pkd wrote: post #125
colechristensen wrote: post #101

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Put the measures being protested directly up for a vote by the Canadian legislature (so they're not just executive actions), if they're not struck down the government should resign / do a no confidence vote, let people elect a new government. Let the people have their voice. If protests continue take actions that let them protest but reduce their ability to be disruptive. With the current dynamics of the disease thou…

Canada had a federal election in the middle of the pandemic restrictions last year. People chose this government. There is no greater vote possible.

He did win, but the majority voted against him. He won the plurality of seats, giving him a minority government, but with 33% of the popular vote. Another party got fewer seats with 34%. Canada’s electoral system sometimes works like that. Changing the system was one of Trudeau’s campaign promises in 2015!

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Post by Daishiman »

trhway wrote: post #22

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Literally everything that you say is wrong.

Vaccines work, they work extremely well. You are literally making it up.

Restrictions have come and gone across the world as case numbers and hospital capacity go up and down. Most European countries have plans to drop mandates or are in the process as case numbers go down. This logic is repeating pretty much everywhere.

Your post is a textbook example of a slippery slope fallacy. I just went to a night club yesterday for the first time in two years - completely allowed by my government, in line with lowering case numbers, in a country with far less democratic tradition than Canada.

Stop the paranoia and understand the nobody's out to get you.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #36
vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

Two thirds doesn't seem like a particularly significant majority for such an authoritarian measure, and moreover the masses will always trade principle and liberty for a mere moment of catharsis--that's the whole reason we elect representative politicians: to be the prevailing cool heads who look out for our rights and liberties and not just the emotion of the moment.

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Post by _dain_ »

zozbot234 wrote: post #40
toolz wrote: post #11

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Protesting is only a crime in authoritarian states. Canadians have the right to assembly and expression explicitly stated in the charter of rights.

There's no such thing as a "right" to use trucks to set up an illegal blockade. The trucker convoys are not protesting to fairly and legitimately raise awareness about their grievances; they're trying to get the upper hand by illegal means because much of public opinion clearly opposes their stance already. It's a simple matter, really. A response is quite appropriate.

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