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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by gruez »

soared wrote: post #150
throw_m239339 wrote: post #136

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> I thought these protests were negatively affecting working class neighborhoods as well by honking horns during the night? Truckers aren't burning down neighborhoods or looting small business right now. Yet a good chunk of Americans had no problem with all that US 2 years ago, in the middle of a freaking pandemic. But honking is now where people draw the line? > Blacks have been through much much worse for hundreds…

Uhhh it’s definitely less valid? Truckers are complaining about vaccine passports, blm was complaining about being killed by police officers.

>Uhhh it’s definitely less valid?

The truckers see vaccine passports as an oppressive government action, and people getting killed by police officers as no big deal. The BLM protesters see police killings as an oppressive government action, and vaccine passports as no big deal. See the issue here? We as a society need standards for behavior that don't just boil down to "if you think it's justified then you can do whatever you want".

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Post by rajin444 »

gpm wrote: post #70
negzero7 wrote: post #15

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> the timing of this seems to point to state sponsored hacking, no? No. The hack was obviously politically motivated, beyond that, nothing here points towards it being state sponsored. Non-state actors are equally motivated by the timing. The idea that the Canadian government hacked GiveSendGo is also frankly ridiculous. Our government just isn't that lawless, and they could almost certainly get this data via legal m…

> Our government just isn't that lawless

Both recent and historical evidence does not really support this claim. It is very very very easy to find many examples of governments breaking the law for their own benefit.

I don’t think it was the Canadian government either, but your logic does not seem good.

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Post by busterarm »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #158
dang wrote: post #61

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Please don't take HN threads in the direction of generic ideological flamewar. It makes the discussion much more predictable and repetitive, and usually much nastier. We're trying to avoid all that here, and you can make your substantive points without it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

To pick out this comment when people upthread are calling what amounts to a party in downtown Ottawa an insurrection and an attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government is pretty gross.

It's because I called this all out for what it is and the moderation here has the thinnest veneer of fairness. A few very high profile posters get away with absolute murder on this board (especially in the form of personal attacks) because they pass the SV ideological purity test, but the rest of us have to keep our opinions to ourselves.

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Post by ben_w »

hammock wrote: post #58
jeromegv wrote: post #42

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Foreign support to this movement is not exactly a secret. They were waiving Trump flags, confederate flags and lots of MAGA signs were seen among the protesters. Also the movement has been publicized on Fox News and by famous right-wing people in the US, that's just normal that it would eventually lead to a lot of people in the US deciding to start donating. The simplest explanation is more likely than the conspiracy…

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Commenting only on the flags themselves and not the protest or the hack:

Canada is not part of the USA.

Trump was a President of the USA not Canada; the Confederacy was made from the bits of the USA furthest away from Canada; and while a literal interpretation of the word “America” in the initialism “Make America Great Again” would refer to the entire continent, it is usually understood as specifically just the USA and not Canada (and definitely not Mexico or Cuba let alone the rest).

Flags are widely used as a symbol of identity. Could be an (excuse the term, I can think of none other that fits) false flag, but there’s a reason why that term exists.

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Post by Apocryphon »

renewiltord wrote: post #135

Jesus Christ, you can't just leave your S3 bucket open, guys. There are lots of warnings from Amazon before you end up doing that, and it's so easy to not do (pre-signed URLs if you really need a URL). I guess it's rather interesting to see the reactions from the media and HN comments. Sort of reflects the relative politics: - Patreon leak. Media didn't go download everyone's data and threaten to get info. HN blamed…

Thank you for writing a comment that is actually about opsec and technology, unlike so many others in this thread.

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Post by zdragnar »

mindslight wrote: post #63
abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

By spending much of your comment denigrating other protests (presumably on issues that you care less about), you are doing exactly what you claim to be condemning. Try advocating for the specific laudable goals of your own cause rather than putting others down.

Considering that donations to the truckers were being turned down because the truckers were forming an "occupation", while individuals in the previous occupations (including the aforementioned CHOP and CHAZ) had received funds off the same platform... The composition seems relevant. Especially with all the name calling (that the truckers are forming an insurrection) being done by the same people who either stayed silent on, or actively supported Antifa as they shot explosives into occupied government buildings.

The truckers are on strike. Not really any different than any other worker strike, which socialists would normally fall over themselves supporting. The thing is, it seems, they cannot abide people going on strike against what they view as unjust government action.

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Post by echelon »

jjulius wrote: post #159
hammock wrote: post #124

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Play that out. How will it happen?

Not OP, not taking sides, but the "how" of it playing out is irrelevant if the stated intent is to overthrow a government.

Every political compass direction has these elements. They're fringe.

This issue is about dialogue with constituents. Meanwhile there are dozens of more pressing matters that actually deserve serious attention. Ukraine, EARN IT (US for now, but it'll go global), etc.

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Post by peeters »

good8675309 wrote: post #116
peeters wrote: post #80

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If you're going to attack "media mischaracterizations" let's be truthful. > but because white collar, work-at-home employees are mildly inconvenienced for a week, they're advocating police action against them and calling it an insurrection. "Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for shutting down a border crossing that handles $350 million in trade per day. "Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for r…

The definition of an insurrection is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Where is the violence? I'm seeing people dancing and enjoying themselves. So much joy. It's like a big festival. People are helping each other and coming together. I see families and food banks being filled, trash cleaned up. Please post videos of all the violence. Btw, you can see an endless feed of the types of events I've…

I don't believe there has been a level of violence that has been concerning or comparable to other protests. There has been the usual behaviour you see in these protests, including harassment of people wearing masks, healthcare workers, businesses, etc. A small amount of riot-associated behaviour like breaking windows of businesses. It has largely been peaceful.

Overt violence isn't necessary to the definition of insurrection. Here are some other definitions I found:

- "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government"

- "a usually violent attempt to take control of a government"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection

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Post by mrtesthah »

hammock wrote: post #58
jeromegv wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Foreign support to this movement is not exactly a secret. They were waiving Trump flags, confederate flags and lots of MAGA signs were seen among the protesters. Also the movement has been publicized on Fox News and by famous right-wing people in the US, that's just normal that it would eventually lead to a lot of people in the US deciding to start donating. The simplest explanation is more likely than the conspiracy…

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Foreign support is grossly apparent from the leaked data.

   Individual donors
   36,975 Canadian
   55,870 Foreign
   92,845 Total

   Amount donated
   $4,311,287  Canadian
   $12,532,326 Foreign
   $16,843,613 Total

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Post by brnaftr361 »

czzr wrote: post #65
abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

You live in Austin and donated to support protests in Canada? I’m curious about that - why are you actively getting involved in another country?

This is normal. The Greek and Spanish civil wars received support from other nations and individuals, up to and including volunteers to fight. Orwell, a Brit, fought in the Spanish Civil War. Homage to Catalonia, good book.
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