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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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So we've decided as a society that any opinion that doesn't conform to the majority needs to be silenced? Scary.

No. We’re deciding as individuals not to give business to entities that profit by promoting baseless conspiracy theories which pose a threat to public health.

It just so happens enough people are doing so to create some market pressure. Spotify is simply reacting to that pressure as all businesses do.

Nobody is being silenced.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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> They can do whatever the fuck they want. If that's your framing, you should also grant that we can also protest whatever the fuck we want. This is a trite and unfruitful line of argument.

Forgive me but what are you protesting exactly? You are certainly free to do whatever you want, I'm not the thought police.

But maybe take a second, step back, and think about what you are outraged about... A private enterprise retracting publication of their IP.

Outrageous! Imagine if TV shows or movies were removed from Netflix! Or if someone bought Vine and shut it down. Or if part of a Wikipedia page were ever edited.

At some point you have to look in the mirror.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Seems like this is just a gradual push to a complete ban in my estimation. Half measures will only annoy both pro and anti Rogan factions.

>"You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time." -- Abe Lincoln

Not Lincoln. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/12/11/cannot-fool/

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I think Joe Rogan is an idiot. But, if anything, Spotify should have just posted a disclaimer somewhere stating these aren’t their views, with some links to reputable sources - even their own “Science Vs” podcast. It’s not like now the people who believed what he was saying are going to shrug their shoulders and start reading the “New England Journal of Medicine”.

Personally I really hate that idea. Spotify is a for-profit corporation. It's only official view is to make as much money as possible. Any other political or philosophical statement is at best a calculated ploy to make more profit. Let's not pretend otherwise. Now, if the platform were a publicly funded news organization or TV station, then you could make that argument with a straight face.

They make money by convincing customers to give them money. They need to at least act like they are concerned.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…

the only Joe Rogan clips my friends and I watch, even as MMA fans, are the ones we watch for the "lulz" where he makes fun of and questions the anti-vaxxers. Oh those were days.. just two years ago.. when he was semi respectable. Now the Youtube algorithm doesn't even throw him out to me anymore.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Seems like this is just a gradual push to a complete ban in my estimation. Half measures will only annoy both pro and anti Rogan factions.

It'll be ineffective. He'll probably just move to something like Rumble that will just ignore all the smear pieces. Guy is popular enough that his audience will follow him, so now there's blood in the water Spotify is in a no win situation

Spotify made the mistake of acknowledging the legitimacy of the whims of cancel culture. In doing so, it always emboldens them and has the effect of drawing in new recruits to the cause.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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One of the ironic things here is that it’s pitted Spotify’s brand as a music company against their brand as a podcast company. For people originally drawn to Spotify as a music service the departure of even a few icons all of a sudden makes Apple Music very attractive.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Spotify has played this perfectly. First they spent $100m on a very controversial figure, just to get an exclusive contract. When he acted controversially they stood up for him, making plenty of people mad and getting others to disassociate themselves from Spotify (Young, Mitchell). Wouldn’t surprise me if they were having some quiet issues with sponsors/ads. Now they seem to be removing episodes, but reportedly not…

Every platform is eventually going to have to deal with this. The correct move is to be a free speech maximalist (in either political direction) until laws are broken. You can also make rules against directed harassment and threats. Tell the detractors that "it could just as easily be your side being silenced", because that's the honest truth. People will complain, but only the fringes will leave.

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