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Re: The Big Mac index: Our interactive currency comparison tool

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If you take the chart in the article at face value, where USD is the base currency and almost every other currency is undervalued in comparison... doesn't that mean that USD is overvalued in those terms? Or that USD derives its value from other currencies depending on it? If you calculated an equilibrium of sorts then USD would be worth less. And you'd have to separate the currencies that are based on USD as the stan…

The USD is relatively overvalued due to the geopolitical position of the United States, the petrodollar system, etc. By being the "reserve currency" it has built-in additional demand beyond what would be expected. This strengthens the dollar and weakens others by comparison, leading to the persistent trade deficits the U.S. suffers with many other economies, lack of competitiveness of U.S. exports, etc.

At least, that's my understanding.

Re: The Big Mac index: Our interactive currency comparison tool

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It says a Big Mac in the U.S. is $5.81 which sounded high. Popped open the McDonalds app and sure enough I can get one for $4.39 plus a free medium fry. Prices must not be uniform across the U.S., but I find it hard to believe the average is $5.81.

So I thought this was interesting and looked into it. The website has a reference for where they get their big mac prices: > Big Mac Index measures the average price of a Big Mac at McDonald's in the United States and is famously used in the Economist's Big Mac Index to measure inflation. And a link to the Economist article ( https://www.economist.com/big-mac-index ) where they further link to their methodology: http…

Probably the csv did not support comments or else you'd have seen #todo get actual prices

Re: The Big Mac index: Our interactive currency comparison tool

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> SF is one of the densest cities in the USA (17k/sqm vs. NYC's 27k/sqm). This is irrelevant, it's obviously not sufficiently dense to meet demand. If you look at the photo you'll obviously see that it's simply not particularly dense by visual inspection. > Houses are expensive in SF because people want to live in SF. They are expensive because they do not permit sufficient construction to meet the demand, what about…

> This is irrelevant, it's obviously not sufficiently dense to meet demand. If you look at the photo you'll obviously see that it's simply not particularly dense by visual inspection. Why does demand always have to be met in one smallish (geographically speaking) city? > They are expensive because they do not permit sufficient construction to meet the demand, what about that do you disagree with? It's not just that p…

> Why does demand always have to be met in one smallish (geographically speaking) city?

The demand is created by that community, located in that area - it is endogenous. These communities of people create self-reenforcing network effects. Logically it follows that the supply should be created where the demand is, not just because, well, that's where the demand is - but because it re-enforces this flywheel.

Why would you put the supply somewhere the demand isn't?

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What percentage of the labor force earned the minimum wage in the 1970s versus today? Today it's less than 1%. More realistically the new minimum wage in the US is ~$13-$15 per hour, which you can earn from Walmart, Target, Amazon, Walgreens, CVS, Best Buy and most of the rest. They can't get enough labor and will hire almost anyone that walks in the door. These days you can trivially earn $13-$15 / hour to start, wo…

Did people in the 70s really make $3 an hour?

My first job when I was in high school in 1977 paid $2.65/ hour

Re: The Big Mac index: Our interactive currency comparison tool

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> Further, wage growth not matching production efficiencies or even decelerating is not a monetary policy issue (or anything to do with inflation) but a social policy issue. Specifically, minimum wage not tracking inflation, and in my opinion, a broad-based rejection of unions. It can be both a monetary policy issue and a social policy issue. Entities that are close to the money-creation spigot that is the Fed have a…

The "money creation spigot" is lending. Anywho who borrows money is at the spigot - that's how fractional reserve lending works, and that's where money comes from. This means anyone with a mortgage, anyone with a credit card, anyone with a post-paid phone plan. Indexing minimum wage to inflation substantially solves the problem. Can you quantify the spread you claim exists here? I feel like just pointing to the "cant…

I wonder if a big part of the allleged theft from the little guy isn't due to dishonest CPI statistics that manipulate officially reported inflation to be lower than the cost of living increases most people experience.

Also perhaps fractional reserve banking does create the issue thatp those who can borrow money and buy assers have an advantage over those at the bottom who strugglle to buy assets and cannot borrow.

I am certainly a fan of modern day capitalism compared to socialist redistribution, but a lot can maybe be fixed with "honest" money of some sort that is not easy to inflate at will. (Algorithmic money perhaps like a carefully designed crypto or some variation of gold backing)

The challenge with honest money, is you cannot really control monetary policy (the free market will set interest rates) , but the benefit is, nobody can debase it too easily.

i. e. no bailing out wallstreet during recessions, but also if you gonna bailout consumers with stimmies they will pay for it later in higher taxes.

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> Surely there were advances in production and logistics that would have lowered the "real" cost of McDonalds delivering a Big Mac, so all else being equal we would expect the price to drop over time. For that, you should look at number of minutes (or hours) the average person needs to work to afford a local Big Mac. Wikipedia's entry on the Big Mac index says that https://web.archive.org/web/20080216015122/http://ww…

I meant more on the production side. Like how much labor and raw material is required to make a Big Mac. But I guess if you consider the price relative to typical wages then it should give you a similar effect, although it would ignore the advancements in capital productivity which may not be reflected in wage data.

That's an interesting perspective?

Advances is capital productivity usually drive wages higher pretty soon, no?

In any case, I just brought up this 'minutes of labour for one Big Mac' index, because I remembered that some people had already done the numbers and it seemed somewhat relevant to your question.

I have no clue whether it's the best index anyone could come up with.

Re: The Big Mac index: Our interactive currency comparison tool

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SF is one of the densest cities in the USA (17k/sqm vs. NYC's 27k/sqm). And...it is not like you HAVE to live in SF, there are plenty of cities nearby. Houses are expensive in SF because people want to live in SF. If SF had 10 times as many housing, then there would simply be 10 times as much economic activity and prices wouldn't budge. If you want cheap housing for your city, make your economy unattractive like Gary…

> And...it is not like you HAVE to live in SF, there are plenty of cities nearby All of which have even more draconian zoning policies that permit only SFH (not even a 5+1). If SF had 10 times as much housing maybe we'd have 10 times as many people being productively employed in industries in the city instead of being forced to locate elsewhere. Maybe some of those people wouldn't HAVE to work in tech/finance to affo…

I’m not against density, density does bring benefits that I prefer, just not affordability. Just that if SF was even more dense than it was now, it would still be NYC expensive, hardly affordable. Affordability isn’t a problem you can build your way out of, not in any context I’ve seen (Tokyo being a sole exception, we just have to have a falling birth rate and block off immigration for it to work).

If SF had 10x the people, it’s density would be on par with Shanghai. If only Shanghai real estate were as cheap as SF’s, then we could make a valid comparison.

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Where in Europe is McDonalds a "hipster place"?

Apparently "central europe". In western and northern europe its certainly not a hipster placer.

And it isnt in any of the places of what one might call "central europe" I'm familiar with, thus the question for details.

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The "money creation spigot" is lending. Anywho who borrows money is at the spigot - that's how fractional reserve lending works, and that's where money comes from. This means anyone with a mortgage, anyone with a credit card, anyone with a post-paid phone plan. Indexing minimum wage to inflation substantially solves the problem. Can you quantify the spread you claim exists here? I feel like just pointing to the "cant…

I wonder if a big part of the allleged theft from the little guy isn't due to dishonest CPI statistics that manipulate officially reported inflation to be lower than the cost of living increases most people experience. Also perhaps fractional reserve banking does create the issue thatp those who can borrow money and buy assers have an advantage over those at the bottom who strugglle to buy assets and cannot borrow. I…

> I wonder if a big part of the allleged theft from the little guy isn't due to dishonest CPI statistics that manipulate officially reported inflation to be lower than the cost of living increases most people experience.

The thing is, the breakdowns, source materials, algorithms, data - they're all published. This isn't Joe Biden goes to the podium and bestows unto us that the CPI was 7% annualized this quarter and doesn't take follow-up questions. Everything is tracked, measured and published by the BLS. [1] People don't take it at face value, think tanks run their own assessments too. Then you have crackpots that just "add 7.5%" to the number and call it a day. [2]

But intuitively we know that "just add 7.5%" is way too high, because if the annualized inflation had been 10% since the year 2000, that means prices would have to be a minimum of 8X higher than they were in 2000.

- In the year 2000 an iMac cost $799. The latest iMac is $1299, not $7000. That would be 2.2% inflation.

- In the year 2002 a Big Mac cost $2.39. Today a Big Mac is $3.99, not $19.12. That would also be 2.6% inflation.

This whole conspiracy theory around a wildly different "shadow" CPI is just that.

You can even compute your own based on receipts you have lying around. I suspect you'll find it not materially different from the published numbers.

> Also perhaps fractional reserve banking does create the issue thatp those who can borrow money and buy assers have an advantage over those at the bottom who strugglle to buy assets and cannot borrow.

I'm not rejecting the cantillon effect wholesale, I'm asking for a quantification, which I have yet to see anyone provide. Folks tend to point at it and blame it for everything but then not have any substantiation of its size.

However, I strongly suspect poor folks and especially middle class folks, have far more debt as a percentage of net worth than rich folks do and so spend more time at the spigot so to speak - relatively, not in absolute terms.

> The challenge with honest money, is you cannot really control monetary policy (the free market will set interest rates) , but the benefit is, nobody can debase it too easily.

Debase is a poor term to use because modern economics shows us that supply and value are not tied in the way folks intuit. For instance, Japan has 3X'd their money supply since 1990 but their CPI is literally dead-ass 0% and has been for 30 years. Their prices for anything and everything on average remain exactly the same as in 1990. This is why we reject the Austrian school.

> ... but also if you gonna bailout consumers with stimmies they will pay for it later in higher taxes.

Money has a value and a duration. Stimulus bills pull future money into the present. You don't pay for it later in taxes, per se. If the stimulus creates economic activity yielding revenues in excess of the stimulus itself then it can be 'free.'

A stimulus is an investment and it is a common mistake to look at the liabilities line without looking at the assets line.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/cpi/

[2] http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

Re: The Big Mac index: Our interactive currency comparison tool

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And...it is not like you HAVE to live in SF, there are plenty of cities nearby All of which have even more draconian zoning policies that permit only SFH (not even a 5+1). If SF had 10 times as much housing maybe we'd have 10 times as many people being productively employed in industries in the city instead of being forced to locate elsewhere. Maybe some of those people wouldn't HAVE to work in tech/finance to affo…

I’m not against density, density does bring benefits that I prefer, just not affordability. Just that if SF was even more dense than it was now, it would still be NYC expensive, hardly affordable. Affordability isn’t a problem you can build your way out of, not in any context I’ve seen (Tokyo being a sole exception, we just have to have a falling birth rate and block off immigration for it to work). If SF had 10x the…

Falling birth rate and immigration are irrelevant - all they do is contribute to the fact supply meets demand there. When supply meets demand prices approach the cost of construction.
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