Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google+ Opens to All

googleblog.blogspot.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

171–180 of 182 posts

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#171

Post by gurkendoktor »

sigstop wrote: post #162
guelo wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of it has to do with the HN love for Apple. HN used to love Google until they became Apple's enemy #1.

What I find more disturbing is the influx of Microsoft friendly commenters. Articles on various MS products are frequent and receive a lot of praise. Articles that point out how MS is crippling innovation through extortion of Linux users receive relatively little attention. Google is an extremely open company (with respect to user data and user rights as well as contributions to open source software). However, most c…

> Android is still the most open major platform out there. It's put Linux on millions of devices.

If you want to do crazy stuff on your iPhone you jailbreak it. If you want to do crazy stuff on your average Android you root it. How does using Linux alone make something 'more open'?

I also think that most metrics for being "open" are missing the big point about the cloud. Yeah, maybe Google's business code is written in FOSS tech and they give people a FOSS browser and one or two FOSS mobile OS to use their services. Where's the practical open-ness for the end user? It's still a cloud ecosystem, the one thing that is worse than a closed-source desktop ecosystem.

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#172

Post by megablast »

nhebb wrote: post #163
nl wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 isn't the same as Google+ +1 is a social recommendation and bookmarking service integrated into 3rd party websites and Google's search. It is orthogonal to Google+ (although both Google+ and +1 use the same social graph).

I guess I'm suffering from internet burnout, but I wasn't paying attention to the differentiation between Google+ and Google's +1. If they're not related then that's a really poor naming strategy.

I guess it is everybody else's fault but yours?

I think they are deliberately meant to be similar.

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#174

Post by nhebb »

megablast wrote: post #172
nhebb wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm suffering from internet burnout, but I wasn't paying attention to the differentiation between Google+ and Google's +1. If they're not related then that's a really poor naming strategy.

I guess it is everybody else's fault but yours? I think they are deliberately meant to be similar.

Mea culpa, Obi Wan.

A couple of levels up I mistakenly thought that the +1 buttons next to my search results were an early buzz effort for Google+. I thought "recommend this page" implied "recommend this page to my friends on Google+". I made that mistake because of the name similarity and the timing of release. If a marketer introduces an ambiguity, I don't think it's the responsibility of the target to disambiguate the message.

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#175

Post by mainevent »

spokengent wrote: post #114
Kylekramer wrote: post #80

The fact that dozens of comments think 90 days is too long for a service to be invite only shows we are really in a instant gratification news bubble here. 90 days! People act like we are talking about Chinese Democracy or Duke Nukem Forever here (not to mention that for about 80 of those days getting in was merely a five minute search process for anyone who really cared). The majority of comments here are about too…

Just FWIW, I used Google+ for 2 weeks or so. Then I got bored and went back to Facebook. I think 90 days is certainly enough time to lose any early momentum you had.

Exactly the same here. Still check it infrequently but all I see is tumbleweed.

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#176

Post by Goronmon »

georgemcbay wrote: post #138
Kylekramer wrote: post #80

The fact that dozens of comments think 90 days is too long for a service to be invite only shows we are really in a instant gratification news bubble here. 90 days! People act like we are talking about Chinese Democracy or Duke Nukem Forever here (not to mention that for about 80 of those days getting in was merely a five minute search process for anyone who really cared). The majority of comments here are about too…

Whether or not 90 days is an excessive amount of time for a service to be invite-only depends greatly on the nature of the service. For a social network any amount of time spent in invite-only mode is a huge problem because the value of the service is directly proportional to both the willingness and the ability of your social contacts to also join the service. On Google+ I've got 100+ people who have me in circles,…

On Google+ I've got 100+ people who have me in circles, but they are all hardcore geek early adopter net-fiends like myself. Very little of my real friends and family social circle is on Google+... many were interested when I explained it but have since lost interest due to their initial inability to join when the service was the hot new thing.

This was exactly my experience with Google+.

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#177

Post by morsch »

megablast wrote: post #172
nhebb wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm suffering from internet burnout, but I wasn't paying attention to the differentiation between Google+ and Google's +1. If they're not related then that's a really poor naming strategy.

I guess it is everybody else's fault but yours? I think they are deliberately meant to be similar.

Whether on purpose or not, it's all very confusing: Google+, +1, Buzz, I still don't know which of those is supposed to do what and which of them is here to stay for the long term.

I was desperately looking for a way to add posts to my Google+ stream (like a tumble blog) from Firefox and I kept getting ways to +1 stuff, which does end up in Google +1, but hidden away and, grotesquely, with no way to even promote it to a full post.

And then there's these odd news feed like topics you can subscribe to in Plus -- which I guess might work if you're interested in sports or whatever, but I just keep wishing I could use it as a link to the similar-but-different Reader. Incidentally, what happens if you star something in Reader, does it +1 it, Buzz it, or is that another way of socially promoting it?

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#178

Post by matthewcford »

ryandvm wrote: post #12
sjs382 wrote: post #5

...almost everyone. "Google+ is not yet available for Google Apps. Learn More." I should have known better than to get my hopes up...

Indeed. It's tough to be a fan of Google's when they do this to paying Apps users with every new product.

Part of the reason I would imagine is the SLA they have with paying customers:

> 99.9% uptime guarantee SLA and 24x7 support"

I would imagine they will only open up new services once they believe they can meet the SLA on them. As a paying apps customer I am miffed on how long this takes though.

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#179

Post by thomaslangston »

enjalot wrote: post #153
finisterre wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can't simultaneously have an invite system > and a huge marketing push. I don't think Google has done a huge marketing push, yet, considering how big a product this is for them. They've done little press and haven't bought advertising online or in the real world - something they did for Chrome. They've so far done pretty much the minimum a company of such scale could do for a product this big. It was inevitable…

> I have a feeling that the marketing push is very much still to come. sign out of google services and go to google.com If everyone gets that little arrow, that's a pretty big marketing push...

Which happened on the same day they are dropping invite-only, correct?

Re: Google+ Opens to All

#180

Post by skeptical »

morsch wrote: post #177
megablast wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it is everybody else's fault but yours? I think they are deliberately meant to be similar.

Whether on purpose or not, it's all very confusing: Google+, +1, Buzz, I still don't know which of those is supposed to do what and which of them is here to stay for the long term. I was desperately looking for a way to add posts to my Google+ stream (like a tumble blog) from Firefox and I kept getting ways to +1 stuff, which does end up in Google +1, but hidden away and, grotesquely, with no way to even promote it t…

Don't forget Orkut(google owned) and Google Social Network (not 100% sure of the name) which is tightly integrated with blogger.

On a side, yet related, note: did anyone had a google email account in the late 90s? Long before gmail, google had an email service, it was by far the worst email service I've used, full of bugs, many long downtimes and countless other issues.

Post reply on HN