Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

Post by pjmlp » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 7:29 AM UTC

zamalek wrote: post #86

pjmlp wrote: post #61

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Although just today I was having some Windows containers hiccups, I am looking forward to the day that Microsoft doesn't require installing a third party solution (Docker) to use them.

Install a WSL machine. Install docker (or containerd, or whatever) in it. Install docker-cli on your host, then use `docker context` to use the server in WSL. 20min of effort if your Google fu is good. If you need something like the docker desktop UI, check out portainer.

Post by vbezhenar » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 7:50 AM UTC

zenlikethat wrote: post #66

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #64

I find it hilarious that their solution to Docker (which is supposed to be virtualization-light: containers) bloatedness is to use a full-fledged virtual machine. Something's gone deeply wrong somewhere.

Not that I disagree about something being deeply wrong, but VM's your only option. Docker is more or less hardcoded to Linux, so you need a Linux kernel somewhere. Docker Desktop just runs a light one for you that you don't worry about managing much.

Post by reilly3000 » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 7:58 AM UTC

xtracto wrote: post #67

rckrd wrote: post #10

One of the past maintainers of minikube here. Minikube, while targeted towards Kubernetes developers, also provides all the features you'd want here. It also takes away most of the pain from virtual machine management w/ native hypervisors. If you're looking for customizability (boot image, docker version, container runtime), minikube is probably your best bet. It even comes with some rudimentary file-sharing and por…

I use kubernetes for pushing stuff to AWS EKS, and it is great. The problem I found with minikube and other Kubernetes based "alternatives" to Docker Desktop (including podman) is that they are not compatible with Docker Compose. There are a * a lot * of "solved problems" via docker-compose.yml files, and all of my past companies have used it. I've tried some docker-compose to k8s migration tools, but the amount of c…

Post by ithkuil » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 11:10 AM UTC

xtracto wrote: post #67

rckrd wrote: post #10

One of the past maintainers of minikube here. Minikube, while targeted towards Kubernetes developers, also provides all the features you'd want here. It also takes away most of the pain from virtual machine management w/ native hypervisors. If you're looking for customizability (boot image, docker version, container runtime), minikube is probably your best bet. It even comes with some rudimentary file-sharing and por…

I use kubernetes for pushing stuff to AWS EKS, and it is great. The problem I found with minikube and other Kubernetes based "alternatives" to Docker Desktop (including podman) is that they are not compatible with Docker Compose. There are a * a lot * of "solved problems" via docker-compose.yml files, and all of my past companies have used it. I've tried some docker-compose to k8s migration tools, but the amount of c…

Post by hda111 » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 12:30 PM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #104

amarshall wrote: post #53

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Podman works with docker-compose 1.x only and needs some finagling to work. I have this wrapper script as podman-compose #!/bin/bash set -e tmpdir=$(mktemp -d) port=$(podman system connection ls | grep -Eo 'localhost:\d+' | head -1 | cut -d: -f2) [[ -n $port ]] || exit 1 ssh -fnNT -L"$tmpdir/podman.sock":/run/user/1000/podman/podman.sock -i ~/.ssh/podman-machine-default ssh://core@localhost:"$port" -o StreamLocalBind…

This is exactly why I ditched Podman. I really wanted to use it badly, but lacking an alternative to Docker Compose or compatibility with it in 2022 is unacceptable. Yes, there is technically a way you can orchestrate containers through configuration, and I don't remember what it was called, but I found it both difficult to use and learn. It's crazy to me that people wanted to develop an alternative to Docker... with…