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UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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I've been researching robo-advisors quite a bit recently. They are really interesting and innovative. I'll preface by saying that I have been talking to a lot of financial planners (at top-tier institutions). They basically set you up with a good set of ETFs, hedge funds, etc. and rebalance occasionally. Sometimes they do tax-loss harvesting. They also provide a few other nice little services. But at the end of the d…

>> Yes, a financial planner can do all of this (although most don't). But when they do, they just use automated software to do it. It would be impossible to implement these strategies manually. So why even go with a financial planner when Wealthfront does the same thing, but better/cheaper? Thats the 100$B question right? Because fear. Because unfamiliarity. Also because 1% seems small, but its really more like 14% (…

Not sure I'm following the "more like 14%" ... can you explain that calculation?

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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I've been researching robo-advisors quite a bit recently. They are really interesting and innovative. I'll preface by saying that I have been talking to a lot of financial planners (at top-tier institutions). They basically set you up with a good set of ETFs, hedge funds, etc. and rebalance occasionally. Sometimes they do tax-loss harvesting. They also provide a few other nice little services. But at the end of the d…

Many people who start off with Robos like Wealthfront actually leave once their net worth rises and pay more for human advisors. If you need to invest a small/decent amount of money into stocks, Robos work wonderfully. It's a mass production angle -- good quality service at lower cost to many people; the Ford Model T of investing. Early robot just had a couple of investment options, and now there are more options but…

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Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Logging into those accounts is a pain in the ass Just to be clear, we are talking about clicking on a bookmark, letting the password manager fill in the login info, and the clicking login or pressing enter? >requires active effort to remember doing Checking up on one's assets is something that should be on a periodic to do list. We even have devices that can be scheduled to alert us when it is time.

> Just to be clear, we are talking about clicking on a bookmark, letting the password manager fill in the login info, and the clicking login or pressing enter? Close, you forgot the part where you need to locate your 2FA device, possibly connect it to a charger and wait for it to boot if needed, and then of course actually get the 2FA code and type it into the website. edit: Oh, and I forgot the part where if you nee…

If I am using a previously used device, I do not get asked for 2FA on Schwab or Fidelity.

Also, macOS/iOS automatically fill in SMS 2FA which is nice.

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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post #131

I've been researching robo-advisors quite a bit recently. They are really interesting and innovative. I'll preface by saying that I have been talking to a lot of financial planners (at top-tier institutions). They basically set you up with a good set of ETFs, hedge funds, etc. and rebalance occasionally. Sometimes they do tax-loss harvesting. They also provide a few other nice little services. But at the end of the d…

I started with and was a Wealthfront customer for many years. I'm appreciative and credit them with starting my education and understanding on investing.

What caused me to leave?

- They aren't global portfolio aware. Bonds belong in tax advantaged accounts, then taxable. If you've maxed out your 401k/IRAs in Bonds that $ as an absolute percentage should be accounted for in your taxable portfolio construction.

- They don't let you opt out of asset classes. Aka I don't want additional REITs because I have RE exposure already.

- They overly hype tax loss harvesting. It's good to have, but a byproduct of portfolio management not the goal.

- They launched and pushed risky products as a way to increase their fees.

Once you understand what's going on under the hood this isn't complicated to manage yourself with a few ETFs/MFs.

(The direct indexing is awesome and would love to have that back)

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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post #131

I've been researching robo-advisors quite a bit recently. They are really interesting and innovative. I'll preface by saying that I have been talking to a lot of financial planners (at top-tier institutions). They basically set you up with a good set of ETFs, hedge funds, etc. and rebalance occasionally. Sometimes they do tax-loss harvesting. They also provide a few other nice little services. But at the end of the d…

Does Wealthfront actually buy individual stocks? Most robo-advisors buy ETFs. So you're paying double management fees. I'm not aware of any robo-advisors that actually buy individual stocks.

Yes. Once you cross a certain threshold (I think it's $100k portfolio), they'll switch you to "Direct Indexing", which automates individual stock purchases.

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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post #131

I've been researching robo-advisors quite a bit recently. They are really interesting and innovative. I'll preface by saying that I have been talking to a lot of financial planners (at top-tier institutions). They basically set you up with a good set of ETFs, hedge funds, etc. and rebalance occasionally. Sometimes they do tax-loss harvesting. They also provide a few other nice little services. But at the end of the d…

This reads like an ad?

Curious why you would need to coordinate trades been taxable and retirement accounts?

Why would you want smart beta (that's active management)?

Their direct indexing portfolio also includes a whole bunch of their own in-house risk parity garbage products that carry high fees

The biggest question to me, you can trade ETFs for free now, why do you need wealthfront at all?

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t disagree but my point is that an uninformed investor would be better off financially with a straight index.

Um... What? If you know what an index fund is, how to purchase index funds, and know which index funds to invest in, by definition, you are not an "uniformed investor." You might argue "... rabble rabble you should know these things..." but that doesn't change that a large portion of the population doesn't and is extremely overwhelmed by it. I've never used Wealthfront personally but I assume its basically like a ban…

What you’re saying is literally the same with fidelity, Schwab, vanguard, etc using an index.

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Sorry for the possible off-topic, but can anyone explain to me how the robo-advising is different/better/worse than constant passive investing into popular ETFs, e.g. $SPY, $BND, $VOO, etc.?

I mean that’s literally where the money ends up anyway. I have a small amount in Wealthfront to check it out. With my “10/10” risk allocation, my money is all in vanguard funds. 45% VTI 20% VEA 19% VWO 14% VIG 2% VETB They do also offer some services such as “tax loss harvesting” that you can’t really do on your own, but I don’t really know if it’s worth their fee. Really, I think one of the best investing strategies…

you can easily do tax loss harvesting on your own

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Back in 2015 I put some of my money into wealthfront, despite the market doing well at the time, my wealthfont fund which was heavily stock balanced did somewhat poorly. This was over a year's time so not short lived by any means. I pulled my money out and invested into stocks I chose and never looked back(typically get 10-15% returns a year). I would like to hear other people's perspectives about how their wealthfro…

I ran a very similar experiment. I don't recall the exact dates, but something like 2016 - 2018, and left Wealthfront as a result. I was under the threshold that incurs management fees, but Wealthfront was outperformed by S&P, at least over my time frame.

I never held anything with them during a market downturn, so I do wonder what that might look like. Potentially the lower returns would be justified by the existence of a hedge or holdings in lower-risk assets.

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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post #131

I've been researching robo-advisors quite a bit recently. They are really interesting and innovative. I'll preface by saying that I have been talking to a lot of financial planners (at top-tier institutions). They basically set you up with a good set of ETFs, hedge funds, etc. and rebalance occasionally. Sometimes they do tax-loss harvesting. They also provide a few other nice little services. But at the end of the d…

I started with and was a Wealthfront customer for many years. I'm appreciative and credit them with starting my education and understanding on investing. What caused me to leave? - They aren't global portfolio aware. Bonds belong in tax advantaged accounts, then taxable. If you've maxed out your 401k/IRAs in Bonds that $ as an absolute percentage should be accounted for in your taxable portfolio construction. - They…

You can opt out of asset classes now. I moved out of Wealthfront to save money and try to DIY but so far I've had a really hard time doing it in terms of finding time to place the buy order during the workday and doing tax loss harvesting without wash sales.
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