Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated? • Hacker News Board

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by SamReidHughes » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #152

chrisseaton wrote: post #37

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> in tennis where tournaments are designed to be 'open' I thought 'open' meant 'open to people from outside the host region' not 'open to amateurs and professionals alike'?

OT: what sports and games have the most open major "Open"s? Are any more open than US chess? The US Open in chess is open to anyone who is a USCF member, which is anyone who wants to buy a membership ($45/year, $40 for seniors, $27 for young adults, $20 for youth, $85 family plan covers parent and children under 19 and college age students up to 24, $55 family plan that covers all children under 19 in the same househ…

Golf has a shorter path to "world championship." Compete in local qualifiers, then sectional qualifiers, and then win the British Open ("The" Open). I suppose you'd need a some number of rounds (6? 20?) before then to build up an official handicap first, so that they'd let you into the local qualifier, or you could fake those.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by zo1 » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

grujicd wrote: post #156

grujicd wrote: post #125

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This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

Ok, this is getting strange. There are two ways to get test results: - it's automatically sent to email (if they have it) - you can download it from ezdravlje.rs portal The test I shared above is the one I got on email. However, I went to portal, downloaded pdf, and now I have two copies. They're different! IDs and all the data are the same, but QR codes are different. This is the new one: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/…

This is super important for everyone to see. The timestamp is not proof of time of test but rather the time that the test was "generated" for download. Anyone prominent on Twitter should respond and assist with this information.

I've done these kinds of systems many times in the past and there could be any amount of reasons why a timestamp is included like this. Especially with weird government regulations, policies and rules that mandate all sorts of info to be included inside government documents. Like adding a year or date to when a company was registered to a company's company registration no.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by mdoms » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #142

jokethrowaway wrote: post #88

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Most likely the system is available to tons of pharmacies / testing centres. They have access to a system able to grant passes. You just need to corrupt one to give you whatever pass you need. That's how the "Adolf Hitler" pass was generated a few months ago.

If corruption was involved, I'm surprised they didn't go for the more straightforward route of using an infected swab from someone else (get it from the hospital or something) and using that as the first test.

What difference would that have made? None of the evidence in the dispute is focused on the test result itself, it's all about when and by whom the data was entered.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by polote » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

grujicd wrote: post #125

TomAnthony wrote: post #35

The negative test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH... The positive test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...

This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

mfer wrote: post #120

jmcs wrote: post #56

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He got an exemption the Victoria state rules, this is the same as you getting a paper from Florida saying you can travel freely there and trying to enter the US based on that paper.

His exemption was a process provided by the Australian Open tournament. More than twenty people applied for it and only a handful got the exemption. The process they outlined was a blind process (those evaluating the applications did not know who the players were) and two stage. It's not like he tried to cheat the tournament or Australia with this. He was following a provided process. Note, this is separate from any…

> not like he tried to cheat the tournament or Australia with this

If the evidence presented here holds, Djokovic submitted falsified documents to the Australian government and courts. That's potentially visa fraud, perjury and a bunch of things that would put an ordinary person behind bars for years.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by zo1 » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:15 PM UTC

TylerLives wrote: post #124

hanoz wrote: post #114

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Is there any reason to assume this timestamp represents the time the test was taken, rather than, say, the time the certificate was generated?

We need someone from Serbia who has done this test to verify.

There is someone doing just that in the thread above.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by nradov » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:15 PM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #46

boringg wrote: post #19

More fuel to the fire - no reason he should get a pass when other people can't. Sorry - it's only tennis and he's trying to cheat to get in. This isn't to political leaders talking about the fate of their people.

This is basically the Canada problem: we have tough rules for 95% of people, but we exempt 5% from it, so every variant quickly ends up here uncontrollably anyway. Windsor Ontario has something like 1000+ health care workers commuting to the Detroit area that have been exempt from most entry test/vaccination/quarantine requirements. Same for truckers and flight crews and ~30 other groups. I think this is only changin…

A vaccination requirement wouldn't do anything to control the spread of every new variant. The primary benefit of vaccination is preventing severe symptoms; it doesn't prevent infection or transmission.

Covid-zero is impossible in any open society. China is still pursuing a covid-zero policy, but even with locking down entire cities and imposing travel bans they're far from zero.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by yread » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:15 PM UTC

shmatt wrote: post #17

Good for Serbia for implementing some centralized system. A PCR test result in the U.S has absolutely no way of being verified, either negative or positive In Israel, which swabs every person who lands at the airport. There is a suspiciously steady stream of people flying in from the U.S who were negative before take off and positive 10 minutes after landing

same thing when omicron started, plane with 300 people with negative tests from South Africa, retested at Schiphol and 60 were positive

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by dang » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:15 PM UTC

hacka22 wrote: post #2

Thread in English: https://twitter.com/zerforschung/status/1480924205352996870

Changed from https://twitter.com/zerforschung/status/1480919124117274625.

We have the deepest respect for the German language, but HN is an English language site and posts here need to be in English. It's hard enough to get people to read the articles even when they are.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by hirako2000 » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 6:16 PM UTC

neither_color wrote: post #103

boringg wrote: post #19

More fuel to the fire - no reason he should get a pass when other people can't. Sorry - it's only tennis and he's trying to cheat to get in. This isn't to political leaders talking about the fate of their people.

I agree he shouldn't get a pass but for different reasons. If the wealthy can get exempted from onerous burdens like quarantining or waiting 3 weeks + 14 days to become vaccinated then they will never remove that burden for the rest of us.

It's a great point. We could turn things around and point out that if a questionable and unexpected restriction can be imposed on a wealthy, given what's at stake, and knowing all the press coverage it would generate, then they would never hesitate to jeopardise important stakes for the rest of us due to some bureaucratic interpretation of the current travel restrictions, interpretation of course hardly possible to challenge.