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Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by dmix »

ryan_j_naughton wrote: post #106
rackjack wrote: post #54

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Very true. North and South have different food cultures, and dialects between different regions can be borderline incomprehensible to each other, just off the top of my head.

> dialects between different regions can be borderline incomprehensible to each other That's because they aren't dialects. They are different languages. The CCP has pushed this lie that all Chinese languages are "dialects" instead of separate languages because it aligns with their narrative of a single Chinese people. You can be a single ethnicity and still have differences and different languages, but to the mainlan…

There’s also a ton of lesser known languages in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_China

> The Chinese (or 'Sinitic') languages are typically divided into seven major language groups, and their study is a distinct academic discipline. They differ as much from each other morphologically and phonetically as do English, German and Danish, but meanwhile share the same writing system (Hanzi) and are mutually intelligible in written form. There are in addition approximately 300 minority languages spoken by the remaining 8% of the population of China. The ones with greatest state support are Mongolian, Tibetan, Uyghur and Zhuang.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by dmix »

Etheryte wrote: post #129
yorwba wrote: post #121

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He's not a pro-CCP Youtuber, but a pro-KMT one, the KMT being the CCP's opponents in the Chinese civil war. Their party flag is blue with a white sun (found in the upper-left corner of the Taiwanese flag), hence "deep blue".

I think this only exemplifies that the title can be hard to decipher if you're not deeply familiar with the context. If I understood this exchange correctly, the commenter above received the exact opposite of what the title was supposed to convey. The fact that I'm not sure either furthers the point.

The KMT party has shifted over the years to being far more pro-CCP than the other parties. Saying being deep blue and being pro-CCP is not disingenuous at all.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by misja111 »

schappim wrote: post #43
rackjack wrote: post #36

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??? The teachings of Confucius, the food, even those big red door decorations with the symbols on them, and so on... are these not things that are still endemic across the mainland? It is simply absurd to claim Chinese culture only survived in "a few small places" in the mainland.

It's also pretty hard to claim there is one Chinese culture.

Of course there's not, but actually this is something that the CCP is pushing a lot for as well; to have one nation, one language, one culture. See e.g. https://www.wsj.com/articles/beijing-accelerates-campaign-of...

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Post by lucian1900 »

platinumrad wrote: post #158
lucian1900 wrote: post #134

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And also non-Chinese people that support the PRC, like myself. Many of us are communists, but not all. The trend on HN is indeed quite clearly anti-China and anti-communist, so Chinese propaganda is definitely less successful than that of the US and Western Europe.

I'm not a communist (I'm not an ML(M), to be specific) but I do have a self-destructive compulsion to put up tepid contextual defenses of western adversary states like China, Russia, and Iran. I don't think they're universally wonderful places with perfect benevolent rulers, but the way most people here are completely delusional about these countries, from history to present conditions and motivations, can be frustra…

Exactly. Even the barest minimum of anti-imperialism gets pushback.

Western chauvinism is quite something. It's more noticeable if you're in any way "Eastern", even European.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by coldtea »

starfallg wrote: post #63
coldtea wrote: post #30

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Well, things like the normalization of everyday life (nothing like under Maoism where everybody was paranoid and millions died, people live regular lives, even with the authoritative rule of the party), opening up to businesses, lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, big health and education access, huge infrastructure updates and development, great technical and scientific progress, becoming the world's number…

>Well, things like the normalization of everyday life (nothing like under Maoism where everybody was paranoid and millions died, people live regular lives, even with the authoritative rule of the party), opening up to businesses, lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, big health and education access, huge infrastructure updates and development, great technical and scientific progress, becoming the world's numbe…

>This is more-or-less how Germany looked like in the 1930s.

And if it stayed at that, it wouldn't be much different that most other countries at the time - perhaps even less lethal (due to not having colonies) and more progressive than some (the early program was New Deal style, and the talk against Jews was toned-down until later in the 30s).

And China itself looked much worse (and worse much more repressive for its citizens) in the 60s up to the 90s, so there's that. Whereas Germany went the other way: more repressive, more bloody, less wellbeing for the people (as resources started going to millitary preparations), and finally war and devastation.

>Really scary that some people don't realise the parallels.

Godwin's law much?

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Post by platinumrad »

ginko wrote: post #138
platinumrad wrote: post #82

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Really scary that some people don't realize the parallels between Germany in the 1930s and, uh, people not starving anymore.

I wouldn't draw the parallels between China today and Germany in the 1930s, but I do see similarities to Germany before WWI. Like China Germany just went through a break-neck pace industrialization to the point where it became a major competitor to the other great powers. It even had its own 'century of humiliation' in the 17th century starting with the Thirty Years' War. There was a lot of nationalism and ressentime…

This is a much more reasonable comparison, but I think the big difference is that the mad imperial dash already happened. (Also, nuclear weapons, but let's leave that aside for now.) Some like to call initiatives like Belt and Road "soft colonialism" but doing so completely undersells the massive brutality and enormous wealth extraction of what these people would presumably call "hard colonialism." In other words, I don't think there's enough to fight over for major powers to go to war.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by coldtea »

starfallg wrote: post #117
platinumrad wrote: post #82

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Really scary that some people don't realize the parallels between Germany in the 1930s and, uh, people not starving anymore.

Germans were starving in the 20s too due to the outcome of WWI. The Nazi 'fixed' that. And since we're talking about people starving, why don't we talk about the Great Leap forward and the massive famines caused by CCP policy?

>Germans were starving in the 20s too due to the outcome of WWI. The Nazi 'fixed' that.

Yeah, so? Many countries "fixed that" - the New Deal fixed that for the starving Americans for example. Post-war German government "fixed that" for starving post-WWII Germans.

Fixing poverty doesn't imply worth authoritarianism.

Especially since China went to more open from the 60s to 2020, not less, so the opposite direction.

>And since we're talking about people starving, why don't we talk about the Great Leap forward and the massive famines caused by CCP policy?

They're somewhat like the famines caused by the British imperial policy in India, but in this case due to bad policy, not intentional colonial profiteering.

And, Chinese policy and results went to the other direction, not just eliminating those famines, but raising a population 2 times the US into middle class, and raising more from proverty.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by solarkraft »

matsemann wrote: post #99
nobrains wrote: post #56

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Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Reminds me of a movie I saw as a kid. Can't remember the exact situation. But some celebrity, super-hero or whatever got asked by a journalist something ala "why did you say you hate this city?" and they answered "I have never said 'I hate this city'". Then what was aired was the last of that sentence, only the 'I hate this city' part.

As with everything, the Simpsons did it too. I think it was a grest piece of media literacy education to me as a kid.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by solarkraft »

newby wrote: post #130
andi999 wrote: post #122

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Yes. But I still think that nobody (lets say <1%) will watch this.

It might be enough. Like open source - not everybody needs to read the source code, it is enough when one knowledgeable person does that and makes a stink when they find something fishy.

Very much this. "The average person won't ..." is a huge fallacy. This also applies to repair (that knowledgeable people are able to do it is enough because they can sell it as a service at economically viable prices).
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