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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by donnythecroc »

supperburg wrote: post #134

Maybe not exactly relevant but I’m early 30s and Ive had breakout schizoaffective disorder for a year. It’s bipolar disorder and schizophrenia at the same time. And I have almost come to the point where I can’t live with it anymore in the past few weeks because the symptoms evolve over time. I just wanted to leave this here in case I do die soon. The hardest symptoms to deal with are the depression and anxiety. But t…

Please talk to someone about this, friend, parent, doctor. Consider all options including psilocybin.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

pdimitar wrote: post #131
dagmx wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple statistics show that the risk of dying by taking the vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of dying from covid. Someone having the vaccine also doesn't increase the risk of someone else dying. It's pretty simple.

> Someone having the vaccine also doesn't increase the risk of someone else dying. It's pretty simple. This is a non-sequitur. I ask the reverse: how do I help society by vaccinating? Judging by the contemporary info out there -- I don't in any way or form. I don't reduce the spread and I won't reduce my symptoms because I got through it 3 times without realizing and only the first time was bad (and it was before the…

> how do I help society by vaccinating? Judging by the contemporary info out there -- I don't in any way or form. > So it's okay if people die of taking the vaccine but it's not okay if they die of Covid? Got it, thanks.

The US is sitting on 860K deaths from 60m cases. A bit over 1%. Vaccine related deaths are about 6k2 in 187m people. Or 0.0018%.

It's only no help if you consider reducing deaths by orders of magnitude and freeing up resources for the more needy "nothing".

You also need to stop thinking about individuals when talking about public health policies. It sucks but at population levels you're talking about millions of faceless individuals.

Edit: I should really have tried to find deaths in fully vaccinated individuals vs unvaccinated. E.g https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

Within the vaccine-eligible population of Scotland aged 65–79 years, the death rate per 10 000 person-years was 64·8 for unvaccinated individuals and 4·2 for fully vaccinated individuals. This difference in death rate was most marked in the population older than 80 years (14·0 deaths per 10 000 person-years for fully vaccinated vs 420·1 deaths per 10 000 person-years for unvaccinated individuals older than 80 years) but attenuated in individuals aged 18–64 years (0·8 deaths per 10 000 person-years for fully vaccinated vs 3·1 deaths per 10 000 person-years for unvaccinated individuals aged 18–64 years). For fully vaccinated individuals who subsequently tested positive, there was a median of 8·0 days (IQR 5–13) between a positive test and dying of COVID-19.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by dagmx »

mercy_dude wrote: post #163
dagmx wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada had varied lockdowns too by province. Canada also has way lower vaccine hesitancy and lower population density. On average Canadians have fewer co-morbidities. I live in Canada so am quite aware. If we're talking about comparisons then let's not cherry pick ones without considering the whole context.

> Canada had varied level of lockdowns too by province. Schools have been open for the most part in Ontario and Alberta since Fall 2020. > Canada has way lower vaccine hesitancy. New York City has 82.5% of population vaccinated, about as much as Ontario [1]. Yet schools were closed for most parents throughout the pandemic. > On average Canadians have fewer comorbidities. Where the hell are you getting this from? Heal…

The CDC numbers (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db56.htm) say Canadians have lower obesity

Ontario also had outbreaks that aligned with the removal of lockdown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Ontario?w...)

> In early September 2020, the province showed a significant increase in new cases, beginning the second wave of the pandemic.

> From late November to mid-December 2020, the province began placing regions in rolling lockdowns, culminating in a province-wide shutdown beginning Boxing Day

So I'm not sure your use of Ontario is the greatest.

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Post by medvezhenok »

simplestats wrote: post #42
fny wrote: post #12

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Both are true. Fiscal and monetary stimulus drove financial assets owned mostly by 40+ and retirees to the moon. House prices have become more unaffordable just as millennials (already saddled with college debt) are getting ready to buy their first homes. Inflation has eaten into real wages even with increases. We also locked up an entire generation of zoomers in a house for two years. I was all for lockdowns in earl…

Assets going up in value isn't really a wealth transfer by itself. The buyer is just exchanging a lot more cash for an asset worth a lot more. Their wealth doesn't change overall. Rents are a different story perhaps. The unfair property taxes in California and similar states is certainly wealth transfer though, which got vastly more unfair.

It is actually a wealth transfer. Think of houses as denominated not in USD, but in labor hours (let's say median wage). If the house price appreciates in labor hours, that is actually a wealth transfer from those performing labor to those holding on to capital (and vice versa).

In reality it's a little bit more complicated since the financing cost of the house has to be considered (principal + interest over the lifetime of the loan), instead of the notional value of the house (and refinancing throws another wrench into the equation).

But as a first order approximation, if houses got more expensive in labor-hours then that's a transfer from labor to capital (and a "hidden" tax on anyone holding USD).

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Post by medvezhenok »

usrusr wrote: post #110
simplestats wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assets going up in value isn't really a wealth transfer by itself. The buyer is just exchanging a lot more cash for an asset worth a lot more. Their wealth doesn't change overall. Rents are a different story perhaps. The unfair property taxes in California and similar states is certainly wealth transfer though, which got vastly more unfair.

It's a transfer from those who have a high fraction of their net worth in cash equivalents to those whose cash fraction is low or even negative. Nobody actually has a million dollars (well, maybe except for some who have a lot of laundering ahead of them?), but plenty of smallish "emergency funds" or "future downpayments" in deprecating savings accounts.

And a transfer from those earning salaries as well, even if the salaries keep up with inflation (due to the Cantillon effect - the holders of capital will have access to the money first, so they can use it before it's "fully devalued", versus wage indexing which comes later).

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Manuel_D »

crate_barre wrote: post #16
crackercrews wrote: post #15

This reporting doesn't make clear that the increase was almost entirely among girls. There was little change for boys. > There was a 22.3 percent spike in ER trips for potential suicides by children aged 12 to 17 in summer 2020 compared to 2019. > The data was particularly alarming among among girls aged 12 to 17. Between Feb. 21 and March 20 this year, emergency department visits for potential suicide attempts were…

Where’s that insta internal investigation on how it’s toxic to young girls (indicative of social media in general).

Nowhere? I suspect few people actually read the report [1]. They asked teen girls (and boys) how Instagram made them feel. The most common response for girls was "no effect" 43%, followed by "somewhat better" 29%, then "somewhat worse" at 18%, then "much better" at 8%, and lastly "much worse" at 3%. The media conspicuously ignored that substantially more girls felt that Instagram made them feel better than worse.

1. https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Instagram-Te...

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Post by dagmx »

stickfigure wrote: post #123
dagmx wrote: post #48

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This shows a gross misunderstanding of viruses. 1. Children don't exist in a vacuum. Even if they don't become symptomatic, they can still be a carrier and they can still infect adults that they're in contact with. Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? Should families isolate their children within the house? 2. It's a low risk to healthy children. What do you do for children with other health complications? Amer…

> Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? I want to directly address this one - I think the answer is yes. I still get in the engine and answer 911 calls. My wife still goes to the hospital and attends patients. Why shouldn't teachers go to work? Sure, some teachers are old and/or have health issues, and even with vaccination might be at unreasonable risk. Those people need to do something else (sure, with a lot o…

I think I just fundamentally disagree that we pay our teachers, workers and other frontline workers like yourself enough (though I'm not sure how much firefighters make) to warrant them risking themselves if they don't have to.

Teachers can teach with remote learning. Maybe it's not as good, but it's doable. You can't stop a fire remotely.

We really need to reevaluate society by making work safer and making sure people are paid better.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #24
m_ke wrote: post #3

Childhood obesity also jumped from 19% to 22% from 2020 to 2021 ( https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0... )

Yeah I think mine did too.

I lost a few from getting Omicron so there's that.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by [deleted] »

bpodgursky wrote: post #17
cultofmetatron wrote: post #14

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medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

> Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day The reason kids were stuck online all day over the past two years is not urban planning; it is because kids were not allowed to go to school or socialize. You can make claims against the base rate this way, but not against the increase over the past two years. (also, I have no reason to think that urban kids are in a be…

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by kansface »

tzs wrote: post #142
fny wrote: post #41

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There is no evidence society would have collapsed. Many countries do not have the health infrastructure the US has and have not undergone societal collapse. Yes more elderly would have died. More people with comorbities would have died. But societal collapse? The shutdown lasted for far too long. Mock Florida all you want, but they weathered the pandemic far better than many states with strict lockdown regimes (Calif…

California did way better than Florida [1]. [1] http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-...

California has a way younger population, probably much healthier too.
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