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Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Hi Freediver, Would you mind telling us a little of the story about Kagi the company behind the product? It’s really interesting to hear that you’re using Crystal. Where are you guys based and how have you bootstraped? Good luck and keep at it, this is a really interesting project.

Sure. We are running on a tight budget, completely bootstrapped by funds from my previous exit. Trying to control cost and all that while establishing product-market fit, which is the reason the beta is closed for now. Instead of starting with technology, I started by selecting people that I can work with and are crazy enough to accept working on such an ambitious idea. It turned out that they really liked Crystal an…

So how do I apply?

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

#172
post #73

Whoa... this was really confusing to me for a moment. Kagi.com used to be one of the premier digital commerce platforms for software and shareware, especially Mac games, serving customers from 1994 until 2016. [0][1][2] Anyone who registered one of Ambrosia's awesome shareware games used Kagi's services, for example. It's really weird to see the company name and domain return again in this way! Best of luck to the te…

This brought back memories. The first money I ever made from software as a teenager was through Kagi. It was some Mac utility shareware apps written in REALbasic around the year 2000.

Nice, that's awesome! How did you market/publish your software? Just a website? I remember trying to make a Hotline client/bot with REALbasic. Part of me definitely wishes I had pursued that stuff more strongly, maybe I could have authored some nice shareware as well!

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

#173

Founder here. Thanks for submitting it, but I am afraid there is not much to see right now. We are still in closed beta (mostly to control cost and gradually improve user experience), with much more left to do. There are some examples of what Kagi can do in my twitter feed. [1] Main idea of Kagi is to offer a paid search product, where user is also the customer and is central to everything that happens. Btw. Kagi is…

k-ah-gi as in tawdry k-ay-gi as in lady k-aa-gi as in laggy Which one is it?

It is ka-gi, like yogi.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

#174

Founder here. Thanks for submitting it, but I am afraid there is not much to see right now. We are still in closed beta (mostly to control cost and gradually improve user experience), with much more left to do. There are some examples of what Kagi can do in my twitter feed. [1] Main idea of Kagi is to offer a paid search product, where user is also the customer and is central to everything that happens. Btw. Kagi is…

Consider https://webmonetization.org/

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

#175

Been using them for about a week, very happy with it. Regional results (especially since the last update) feel as automatic as google. While I still hope they’ll add my suggestion of a bang for region switches, most queries I do don’t need one, and it properly switches between English and German. All of the DDG bangs. Seriosuly, search without bangs is nothing I’d ever want to go back to. Built-In Domain Blacklist. G…

I've been using Kagi for a couple months and generally like it. It's the default search engine in my browser. My only complaint is that occasionally I run a search and get zero results, like the page is literally blank (I try the search again and it is still blank). I then try the search on Google and get what I'm looking for. I guess this happens because Kagi's index is smaller, but I don't really know.

It happens because there is a bug that we are still trying to find :) Rest assured we will find it! (it is probably somewhere in the way we feed feed data through socket for maximum performance and something either on GCP end or our client/server code is 'too' optimized)

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

k-ah-gi as in tawdry k-ay-gi as in lady k-aa-gi as in laggy Which one is it?

It is ka-gi, like yogi.

So... ko-gi? The phoneme used by the letter o in yogi is not something anyone is going to associate with the letter a.

There are multiple phonemes often represented by the letter a; the GP is asking which of those is correct.

Edit: all of these assume American English pronunciations.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Founder here. Thanks for submitting it, but I am afraid there is not much to see right now. We are still in closed beta (mostly to control cost and gradually improve user experience), with much more left to do. There are some examples of what Kagi can do in my twitter feed. [1] Main idea of Kagi is to offer a paid search product, where user is also the customer and is central to everything that happens. Btw. Kagi is…

How is it better than using a proxy server to access Google?

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Founder here. Thanks for submitting it, but I am afraid there is not much to see right now. We are still in closed beta (mostly to control cost and gradually improve user experience), with much more left to do. There are some examples of what Kagi can do in my twitter feed. [1] Main idea of Kagi is to offer a paid search product, where user is also the customer and is central to everything that happens. Btw. Kagi is…

How is it better than using a proxy server to access Google?

or whoogle: https://github.com/benbusby/whoogle-search (which i love btw)

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

#179
post #79

It seems the trend lately for new services to be built with rather high monthly fees. From the FAQ: "We plan to offer entry level plans for as low as $10/month, unlimited plan at around $20/mo as well as make bundles (to include Kagi email and other services), family plans and annual payment discounts available." I have to say I support a lot of these initiatives, but I can't help but think altogether they're creatin…

> but I can't help but think altogether they're creating a division of the web into premium services the rich can afford

If I may, there is huge complexity at hand here. It is one thing to offer a meditation app for $2/mo, where its peak complexity is changing colors on the screen. It is entire different to be able to offer the entire internet searchable in less than 500ms in the palm of your hand. The ability to offer that at $20-30/mo with robust privacy protection is frankly a miracle.

Second factor, is that Kagi is bootstrapped and our priorities are quality of services offered, not the number of users. And knowing what I know, it is simply not economically viable to do this at a lower price point and hope for sustainability of the business.

Finally, the price is only one side of equation, the other is value. The question is will you be getting enough value for your money? For me, the ability for my children to use a search engine without being bombarded with ads from an early age has a lot of value. I already pay $15/mo for YouTube Premium for the same reason. I understand that not every parent is in this position to choose, but many are.

Having said all that I do not pretend that Kagi is designed to be for everyone, like Google is. It is a premium service for a reason - the cost of providing the quality that we provide is simply what it is, and we clearly said no to the ads from the get-go. Remember that the main reason most of the mainstream web is free are ads.

The ideological consideration you refer to is something I agree with, but that role is on governments to fullfill IMO. I do not think they will anytime soon so I am doing what I can. Access to information like access to water should be part of public infrastructure and we miss the latter in the modern society (as public libraries are not enough anymore). We can easily get into the realm of politics here so I choose to stop :)

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

#180

Looks like a great product and I've signed up. One thing from your FAQ Page: You list Kagi as using significantly less CO2 than Google and Bing. Since Kagi is scraping both Google+Bing - wouldn't the Kagi CO2 total of each search be Google+Bing+Other Sources+Kagi?

To clarify: The CO2 measure is in the FAQ is based only on the amount of data transferred over the internet and Kagi wins here because we have the smallest payload. It does not include energy used to generate it, but Google claims it is carbon neutral since 2008 I think? and Bing is on its way to do so.
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