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Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by chii »

lamontcg wrote: post #165
deadalus wrote: post #6

I will never forget that the Christchurch shooting video was automatically deleted from users' PRIVATE Google Drive and Dropbox - no warnings were given and no explanation was presented.

This is probably the worst example to use. It is like arguing against capital punishment using Ted Bundy's case as example. Generally that works the other way with most people and that's the kind of person they enthusiastically support the state murdering. Similarly the reaction of most people to Google removing that video is going to be "good" and you're going to have a very uphill battle convincing them otherwise,…

it's not a bad example at all - the point is that even if the video is vile, it is not and should not be google's mandate to delete private files by applying some extra-judicial moral judgement.

Let the law work - possession of illegal material should be enforced by the police, not by a corporation that the user cannot hold accountable.

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by lamontcg »

mleonhard wrote: post #170
lamontcg wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably the worst example to use. It is like arguing against capital punishment using Ted Bundy's case as example. Generally that works the other way with most people and that's the kind of person they enthusiastically support the state murdering. Similarly the reaction of most people to Google removing that video is going to be "good" and you're going to have a very uphill battle convincing them otherwise,…

I think the main point of your comment is insightful. The final two sentences are distracting and unnecessary. How about deleting them?

No, they're really accurate and to the point, its quite relevant that HN is an echo chamber.

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by lamontcg »

chii wrote: post #171
lamontcg wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably the worst example to use. It is like arguing against capital punishment using Ted Bundy's case as example. Generally that works the other way with most people and that's the kind of person they enthusiastically support the state murdering. Similarly the reaction of most people to Google removing that video is going to be "good" and you're going to have a very uphill battle convincing them otherwise,…

it's not a bad example at all - the point is that even if the video is vile, it is not and should not be google's mandate to delete private files by applying some extra-judicial moral judgement. Let the law work - possession of illegal material should be enforced by the police, not by a corporation that the user cannot hold accountable.

You will not convince anyone to agree with you who does not already agree with those principles already, and you will lose 90% of the rest of the people who find that video horrific and never get past it.

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by Dylan16807 »

xtracto wrote: post #99
beachy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps I'm sensitive as a NZer, but would you feel the same if the deleted document was a plan for a nuclear weapon etc? Though while giving a warning is clearly inappropriate, they should certainly have explained what they did.

I hear you, even though you are downvoted. Right here in the ~10 comments you have from Americans we can see the "double standards" that people adopt. There was no outrage (actually some "anti-outrage") when Apple, Google and AWS censored Parler, an app that allowed "freedom of expression". People draw the line when it affects their beliefs, in that case they say it was justified for Google, Apple and AWS to censor a…

Parler is/was a company with millions of dollars and millions of users.

It's entirely reasonable to handle that differently from someone's personal data storage.

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by drevil-v2 »

enz wrote: post #52
aledalgrande wrote: post #22

Aside from legitimate DMCAs what I'm worried about is losing backupped files of any sort because some rogue individual files a complaint on stuff they don't own or because of an ML error and an inexistent customer service by Google. Also I don't really like the service to sneak onto any files I upload. What alternatives do we have for cloud file backup? I already do full backups, need something to sync files between…

I use an S3-comptaible hoster with the rclone client which supports encryption/decryption on the fly. That is, I don't even need to trust my S3 provider. For syncing between devices, I guess `rclone sync` should do the trick.

Is there a guide to set this up? Thanks in advance

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by squarefoot »

ksec wrote: post #146
snarf21 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if in the future we'll need a "unique-inize" app that will make trivial changes to pictures and videos that change their hash and their size by a few bytes to defeat this kind of nonsense. Changing even one pixel's hue on one frame by a small amount should make the whole thing encode (depending on codec) to a different size and hash.

To battle the Cloud storage paradigm with uniqueness is always going to be a cat and mouse game. I wish the future is a NAS that is simple, fault tolerant ( Bit-Flip protection, Error Correction, Drive Redundancy ) and extremely affordable. That is something the Apple Time Capsule should have been. Right now I cant even get a 2x 2.5" 2TB HDD and a NAS enclosure for under $200 RSP. I was hoping Kobol would be it somed…

> Right now I cant even get a 2x 2.5" 2TB HDD and a NAS enclosure for under $200 RSP

You can get comparatively much more for much less if you look carefully at the used market and spend some time building it for yourself. My 5 bays home NAS cost me just a bit over €130, excluding disks of course: €46 for a SUPERMICRO X7SPA-L mainboard and €88 for a Ultron RPS19-G3380 case, power supply included. All purchased from ebay sellers. I already had the memory modules plus an additional slow SATA controller I use for a non RAID disk, so had to buy only the disks locally. It runs XigmaNAS and has been rock solid with multiple 1 year+ uptimes interrupted only for maintenance or disk upgrades.

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by beagle3 »

ksec wrote: post #146
snarf21 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if in the future we'll need a "unique-inize" app that will make trivial changes to pictures and videos that change their hash and their size by a few bytes to defeat this kind of nonsense. Changing even one pixel's hue on one frame by a small amount should make the whole thing encode (depending on codec) to a different size and hash.

To battle the Cloud storage paradigm with uniqueness is always going to be a cat and mouse game. I wish the future is a NAS that is simple, fault tolerant ( Bit-Flip protection, Error Correction, Drive Redundancy ) and extremely affordable. That is something the Apple Time Capsule should have been. Right now I cant even get a 2x 2.5" 2TB HDD and a NAS enclosure for under $200 RSP. I was hoping Kobol would be it somed…

Synology isn’t the cheapest, but they’ve made it “just work”. Every few years - both for home, and for work, I consider getting a “more serious” storage system or building one; and every time I do a serious comparison and end up choosing Synology over building my own FreeNAS/TrueNAS/etc for home, and preferring Synology over NetApp for work.

I do have a couple of NetApps for mission critical stuff; and one of my customers runs an Isilon which I have to support; for almost every workload that can tolerate a few minutes of planned downtime per month, the Synology wins bigly as long as you have knowledgeable IT staff.

And no, you don’t want an Isilon or a NetApp if you don’t have knowledgeable IT staff around - you want a synology (or to get better IT)

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by StreamBright »

ksec wrote: post #146
snarf21 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if in the future we'll need a "unique-inize" app that will make trivial changes to pictures and videos that change their hash and their size by a few bytes to defeat this kind of nonsense. Changing even one pixel's hue on one frame by a small amount should make the whole thing encode (depending on codec) to a different size and hash.

To battle the Cloud storage paradigm with uniqueness is always going to be a cat and mouse game. I wish the future is a NAS that is simple, fault tolerant ( Bit-Flip protection, Error Correction, Drive Redundancy ) and extremely affordable. That is something the Apple Time Capsule should have been. Right now I cant even get a 2x 2.5" 2TB HDD and a NAS enclosure for under $200 RSP. I was hoping Kobol would be it somed…

I think there are pretty good solutions out there with zfs.

Re: Google Drive could soon start locking your files

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Post by beachy »

xtracto wrote: post #99
beachy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps I'm sensitive as a NZer, but would you feel the same if the deleted document was a plan for a nuclear weapon etc? Though while giving a warning is clearly inappropriate, they should certainly have explained what they did.

I hear you, even though you are downvoted. Right here in the ~10 comments you have from Americans we can see the "double standards" that people adopt. There was no outrage (actually some "anti-outrage") when Apple, Google and AWS censored Parler, an app that allowed "freedom of expression". People draw the line when it affects their beliefs, in that case they say it was justified for Google, Apple and AWS to censor a…

I'm as much for my rights to hold whatever digital data as probably most other people on this thread.

But at the same time there are abominations of pure evil that should never exist, not even for "historical interest".

Somewhere in the middle there's a line.

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