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Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by kzrdude »

ycombinete wrote: post #138
Closi wrote: post #134

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> I'm not sure how you have a subscription to Lichess when it's a free site A subscription can just be an account - it doesn’t necessarily have to be a paid subscription.

That's weird, I've only ever used "subscription" as per this definition[0]: "A subscription is an amount of money that you pay regularly in order to belong to an organization, to help a charity or campaign, or to receive copies of a magazine or newspaper." [0] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/subscri...

Youtube has a subscribe button, and there is no money involved.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by rlpb »

emerongi wrote: post #150
sgpl wrote: post #139

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I mean such behaviour is not uncommon on chess.com either. I've reported multiple people for game abandonment / abusive language / acting like jerks / taking super long to make moves in a game that's obviously been lost / etc. My inbox is on chess is full of such generic boilerplate messages from chess.com; I doubt they really kick anyone off their platform though (unless the player does something extreme): We've tak…

> taking super long to make moves in a game that's obviously been lost I'm a novice still (~1500), but at this level you can easily come back from a lost game. Opponents sometimes think that I'm stalling, but in reality I'm trying to make the best out of a lost position. My opinion is that if you go into a game with a certain time limit, the players have full right to use that time how they please. If you are in a hu…

When I used to play, I also found that people otherwise at a similar level to me were really bad at endgames. Perhaps they resigned too often, and therefore got little endgame experience? Anyway, that meant that it was worth pushing to the end if I wanted to win, because sometimes it worked.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by apetresc »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #99

I would love to see XiangQi on Lichess or a suggestion for a good one. I suck at Chinese chess, but after learning it I was demolishing my friends from the headspace it gave me, the complexity really seemed to help me be a better chess player. I feel like I was an amateur "take as many pieces as you can and overwhelm the king" before and Chinese Chess turned me into a "sacrifice your pieces to position yourself bette…

You're in luck! https://www.pychess.org/ is exactly what you want; it took the Lichess source code but adapted it to a bunch of chess variants, including Xiang'qi.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by jdthedisciple »

I started playing on chess.com in 2015 and my main issue was: they UI felt clunky and it seems to be deducting to much time from my clock even with premoves!!!

Switched to lichess in 2017 or so and it's just way superior when it comes to UI/UX and performance specifically!

I ran site performance tests for both a while ago and they numbers confirmed my subjective experience.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by apetresc »

rtpg wrote: post #100
Tryk wrote: post #77

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Lichess also has conditional pre-moves in correspondence chess

thanks, didn't realize that was in there (I only use lichess on my phone though...)

For a long time, conditional premoves in correspondence didn't exist on the mobile app, only on the site - but that's fixed now too.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by travelhead »

rdbell wrote: post #154
travelhead wrote: post #132

I’ve written extensively on the rampant cheating happening on chess.com: https://travelhead.medium.com/rampant-cheating-on-chess-com-... LiChess on the other hand has incredible cheat detection algorithms, and I’ve only reported one cheater in the dozens of games I’ve played since quitting Chess.com and moving to Lichess. (I’m approximately 2350 on LiChess).

This is sad to see. I’ve played about 300 Rapid games on chess.com and there’s only one banned player in my game history. Am I just lucky? I’m not good enough to instinctively suspect cheaters, and running post-game analysis on all of your games seems like a big time sink for little gained. Another possible (dark pattern) solution would be an option to only play against other paying customers. I’d assume players who…

I limited my article to only opponents that chess.com analyzed and banned after my report. There’s dozen more I reported that they failed to ban, and my guess is it has to do with a financial incentive to show more ads.

There’s definitely a large swath of cheaters in the 1900-2200 range on chess.com.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by bananamerica »

ycombinete wrote: post #123
chollida1 wrote: post #80

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Interesting perspective. I have subscriptions to both and my first reaction was the exact opposite of yours. Chess.con is so far ahead of lichens that it wasn’t debatable. What in your opinion leads you to believe that lichess is eating chess.com’s lunch. For me games are far easier and quicker to setup with chess.com. The drills are better at chess.com and so are the lessons, both in-depth and breadth. I can’t reall…

> I have subscriptions to both I'm not sure how you have a subscription to Lichess when it's a free site. Do you donate? > My Elo rank on lichess is a full 500 points higher on lichess than chess.com The ratings difference on lichess is arbitrary. Everyone starts higher (1500 vs 1200), so the average is higher. > For me games are far easier and quicker to setup with chess.com Unless I've missed something on chess.com…

The setup is not that relevant, what is relevant is how long it takes to get a match. And chess.com is much quicker at that.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by dubeye »

This comes up so often it’s a bit lady doth protest too much. they have strengths and weaknesses.

As a 1200 elo. I prefer the analysis and game review on chess.com. I like the auto playback of alternative lines. Game review is more useful because I actually use it every time. Lichess game review might be more powerful, I don’t know but I find I use it less. Other little things chess has. The charts showing deviation from best move over the game. I like the video lessons. I prefer the square highlighting. I prefer the knight arrows on chess.com too.

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by hyperbovine »

BongoMcCat wrote: post #155
emerongi wrote: post #150

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> taking super long to make moves in a game that's obviously been lost I'm a novice still (~1500), but at this level you can easily come back from a lost game. Opponents sometimes think that I'm stalling, but in reality I'm trying to make the best out of a lost position. My opinion is that if you go into a game with a certain time limit, the players have full right to use that time how they please. If you are in a hu…

I don't play that much chess, but: If a player has 60 minutes for all their moves, then spend less then a minute for each move, until they are so far behind that in your mind, the game is over, now, they are spending 20 minutes on one move. And I have to still sit in front of the computer, because if I leave, they might make a move just before their timer runs out, hoping that I have already left the room, and now I…

Play a different time format then. I don’t understand players, several in this thread alone, who complain when their opponent uses some/all of the time that was allotted under the rules of the game that are agreed upon at the start. (I am similarly against the awarding of extra time.)

Re: Chess.com vs. Lichess

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Post by ycombinete »

bananamerica wrote: post #177
ycombinete wrote: post #123

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> I have subscriptions to both I'm not sure how you have a subscription to Lichess when it's a free site. Do you donate? > My Elo rank on lichess is a full 500 points higher on lichess than chess.com The ratings difference on lichess is arbitrary. Everyone starts higher (1500 vs 1200), so the average is higher. > For me games are far easier and quicker to setup with chess.com Unless I've missed something on chess.com…

The setup is not that relevant, what is relevant is how long it takes to get a match. And chess.com is much quicker at that.

I disagree, the time it takes to start searching for a match is part of how long it takes to get a match.

I’m assuming that you’re either very high or very low rated, because in the middle of the bell curve I find matches almost instantly on Lichess.

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